[Theory] Ashura and the Bijuus

[SkyGodHorus]

Some people are assuming Ashura inherited and harmonized with the bijuus, but I'm starting to think that isn't the case seeing as it isn't directly stated or even shown. In the panel of he and Indra fighting, his cloak seems to resemble Kurama and no other bijuu.

What if what happened is Hagoromo gave him Kurama and distributed all the other bijuus to the clans at the time like Hashirama did when he captured them? That, or gave they were meant to be guardian Kamis or guides for the people. However, like they abused ninshuu, they also abused the bijuus and enslaved them using ninjutsu, making them antagonistic of people. As a result, several were used for preemptive war or broke free and wreaked havoc across the world, thus being labeled monsters and Hashirama was forced to gather and subdue them all. However, due to their continued hate and subjugation as well as the Senju's loss of knowledge of Hagoromo, the bijuus and the people remained at odds with each other.

 

[xXMadaraUchiaXx]

indra would be really OP when he fought against ashura with 9 beasts ... why just indrs didnt take the beast ... a shame that ashura neeeds bijuu drugs to can fight against indra

 

[so12p]

Some people are assuming Ashura inherited and harmonized with the bijuus, but I'm starting to think that isn't the case seeing as it isn't directly stated or even shown. In the panel of he and Indra fighting, his cloak seems to resemble Kurama and no other bijuu.

What if what happened was Hagoromo gave him Kurama and distributed all the other bijuus to the clans at the time like Hashirama did when he captured them? However, like they abused ninshuu, they also abused the bijuus and made them antagonistic of people. As a result, several were used for preemptive war or broke free and wreaked havoc across the world, thus being labeled monsters and Hashirama was forced to gather and subdue them all. However, due to their continued hate and subjugation as well as the Senju's loss of knowledge of Hagoromo, they remained antagonistic of people and refused to harmonize with them as Hagoromo originally intended.

Maybe, but I have no found explicit reference that he got any of the bijuus.

By the way, quote in your sig says "2 times" Kakashi's chakra, but I believe the stated amount during the training chapter was 4 times Kakashi's chakra.

 

[xcoyote]

Didnt Hagoromo divide the Juubi after he witnessed Ashura achieving equal power to his brother?

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Maybe, but I have found explicit reference that he got any of the bijuus.

Have or haven't, because it sounds like you meant to say haven't.

By the way, quote in your sig says "2 times" Kakashi's chakra, but I believe the stated amount during the training chapter was 4 times Kakashi's chakra.

Which is part of the reason why I put the quote because it's one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on here in regards to the manga.

Didnt Hagoromo divide the Juubi after he witnessed Ashura achieving equal power to his brother?

He stated he made Ashura the heir to Ninshuu, but not the bijuus. In regards to the bijuus, he simply stated he was inspired by Ashura's means to cooperate with everyone and using this concept broke the juubi into the bijuus and gave them sentience. This seems to imply to me that he gave the world/clans the bijuus like Hashirama did. I suppose it's also possible they were supposed to be like guardian kamis and or guides to the people but the people captured and enslaved them using ninjutsu instead.

 

[NineSNS]

I noticed that in a few threads too. Their assumption is probably based on the panel that shows Indra and Ashura fighting. But Kurama's flashback when Naruto first received the tailed beast chakra at Son Goku's request, indicated the bijuu had waited a long time for the "one who would lead them properly." That indicates Naruto was the first since the sage to gain the bijuu's respect and trust.

 

[yellowflashdude]

No he didn't have the bijuus. But it does prove that he and naruto are the same and have the same chakra. Notice how the other jinchuuriikis don't have any special chakra cloak when they powerup, unlike naruto.

 

[TaBaYo]

You cant use that, since Naruto also has all the Nine beast but his outlook doesnt resemble any of them, he still tuk the form of Kurama in a different appearance like KCM mode.

 

[Gerkak]

I don't think he was a jinchuriki. His avatar does not resemble any bijuu and it is also smaller than any bijuu

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You cant use that, since Naruto also has all the Nine beast but his outlook doesnt resemble any of them, he still tuk the form of Kurama in a different appearance like KCM mode.

On the contrary, I can.

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Notice the two faces that resemble Kurama? ears, eyes and whiskers in all? Notice the claws and the canine-like legs?

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

That ain't Kurama....that thing looks like an Asura(Japanese god) construct with three Rabbit heads and six arms just like Asura!! U_U
That is just a physical manifestation of his own chakra, which should have been huge considering the fact that he is Hagoromo's son!!

 

[SkyGodHorus]

That ain't Kurama....that thing looks like an Asura(Japanese god) construct with three Rabbit heads and six arms just like Asura!! U_U

That is not the description of an asura. The multi-appendages and two faces parallel them but Asuras were humanoids with human faces and appendages, not animal faces and appendages. The ones you are thinking of are the characters from guild wars lols.

That is just a physical manifestation of his own chakra, which should have been huge considering the fact that he is Hagoromo's son!!

It doesn't explain the animal features. And whether Ashura had Kurama or not is not the main point of my thread, but whether he inherited the bijuus or not.

 

[apsri]

Ashura had the Senjutsu of the Six Paths (body of the Sage). Unlike Indra, he had to train very hard to achieve Sage Mode.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Didnt Hagoromo divide the Juubi after he witnessed Ashura achieving equal power to his brother?

He found that ashura was using unity and teamwork to achieve strength and he began to believe that he should lead ninshuu this way. That's when he split the juubi

That ain't Kurama....that thing looks like an Asura(Japanese god) construct with three Rabbit heads and six arms just like Asura!! U_U
That is just a physical manifestation of his own chakra, which should have been huge considering the fact that he is Hagoromo's son!!

It clearly resembles narutos bijuu mode. The only reason it has the extra arms and shit is cause ashura was special

 

[Samest]

Its useless to argue, you cant predict that sstuff just based on what we saw till now

 

[narutobasegod]

I made a thread about this early this week, I think that the beast you are looking at when ashura is fighting indra is the nine tailed version of the beast that were sealed into the sages brother just like yin and yang kurama was sealed in naruto and lord fourth well the sage said me and my brother sealed the jubi with in us so probably the sage has the yin half the sage brother probably has the yang half with different tailed beast he could have possibly created as well from his half of the jubi that was sealed in him and ashura was one of there jinchurikis

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I made a thread about this early this week, I think that the beast you are looking at when ashura is fighting indra is the nine tailed version of the beast that were sealed into the sages brother just like yin and yang kurama was sealed in naruto and lord fourth well the sage said me and my brother sealed the jubi with in us so probably the sage has the yin half the sage brother probably has the yang half with different tailed beast he could have possibly created as well from his half of the jubi that was sealed in him and ashura was one of there jinchurikis

I thought that was a mistranslation and Hagoromo stated the juubi was sealed into him and not both of them?

 

[bootyhunter3000]

Kurama did not mention Ashura in his flashbacks of the previous shinobis he was in
Hashirama told him his power was too great
Kurama was sealed into Hashirama's wife
Then sealed into Kushina
Kurama was then surprised by Naruto on how he said that he wanted to help him instead of suppressing his power

Anybody remember this???

 

[NaruSasuRival]

On the contrary, I can.

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Notice the two faces that resemble Kurama? ears, eyes and whiskers in all? Notice the claws and the canine-like legs?

Some people are really desperate in trying to think Ashura did not inherit power from his father. Can anyone tell us if Susanoo look like a human being? Is sharingan a normal human eye?

The key here is that both Ashura and Indra inherited traits from Hagoromo, which Hagoromo himself inherited from the god tree fruit that his mother ate. The key is that the god tree fruit contained the essence of the god tree's children. While I am being really basic for understandability, this means the fruit contains something that would have become either a kind of biju or some god-like being, but under the form of chakra.

Now, so far, no biju is like Susanoo, and no biju is like Ashura avatar. Since everyone already know Susanoo is not a biju, I will forget it.

Concerning Ashura's avater, it had many faces, meaning it is not like any of the biju we have seen so far. The only ressemblance between Ashura's avater and a biju is the dark lines on its that were only seen with BM Naruto. Yet, KM/BM/BSM Naruto had more than the dark lines. asically, Naruto was the one giving the vessel, the body, for him and Kyuubi. Thus, the line there are actually Naruto's body features when he goes to that mode. Even we can see that part of these markings coincide with the sealing marks and the uzumaki symbols.

Moreover, we saw Ashura chakra clung to Naruto when he was talking with Rikudo. That chakra looked exactly like Minato and KM Naruto when he was fighting A. Thus, in my opinion people should understand that Kyuubi only gave chakra to Naruto just like the other biju. The special guy here was Naruto, not Kyuubi. In fact, Kyuubi has only one face and red body. Kyuubi is neither golden, nor yellow.

FYI, Naruto chakra is Yellow per the canon manga. Ashura's side shown by Hagoromo was actually a three or for headed deity. These are easy to understand.​

Finally, per the last development, we are going actually to see that Naruto never healed himself because he has Kyuubi. Rather, Kyuubi chakra was triggering the property of his body which is the same as Hashirama's body.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Some people are really desperate in trying to think Ashura did not inherit power from his father.

...When did I ever state this?

Can anyone tell us if Susanoo look like a human being? Is sharingan a normal human eye?

Is that relevant? No.

While I am being really basic for understandability, this means the fruit contains something that would have become either a kind of biju or some god-like being, but under the form of chakra.

There's no basis for that. The bijuus were created by Hagoromo's imagination, not by the shinju and Ashura's cloak resembles Kurama.

Now, so far, no biju is like Susanoo, and no biju is like Ashura avatar.

Subjective. His cloak bears too many resemblances to Kurama for me to accept that assumption. And actually, Naruto's big bijuu claok does resemble susnano'o somewhat in that they are both giant chakra armors in the forms of entities and both characters reside on the cloaks head.

Concerning Ashura's avater, it had many faces,

It's not a avatar, it's a chakra cloak and no, it possesses only two faces that both resemble Kurama.

meaning it is not like any of the biju we have seen so far.

It possesses Kurama's head, legs, claws and symbols. The hell it doesn't resemble a bijuu.

The only ressemblance between Ashura's avater and a biju is the dark lines on its that were only seen with BM Naruto.

Subjective. That isn't the only similarity I see.

Yet, KM/BM/BSM Naruto had more than the dark lines. asically, Naruto was the one giving the vessel, the body, for him and Kyuubi. Thus, the line there are actually Naruto's body features when he goes to that mode.

I've checked it over and over, they possess the same lines and symbols.

Moreover, we saw Ashura chakra clung to Naruto when he was talking with Rikudo. That chakra looked exactly like Minato and KM Naruto when he was fighting A. Thus, in my opinion people should understand that Kyuubi only gave chakra to Naruto just like the other biju. The special guy here was Naruto, not Kyuubi. In fact, Kyuubi has only one face and red body. Kyuubi is neither golden, nor yellow.

There's no basis for that. The chakra cloak was both Kurama and Naruto's power.

FYI, Naruto chakra is Yellow per the canon manga. Ashura's side shown by Hagoromo was actually a three or for headed deity.​

It has two heads, not three or four, which could parallel the Yin and Yang Kuramas.

Finally, per the last development, we are going actually to see that Naruto never healed himself because he has Kyuubi. Rather, Kyuubi chakra was triggering the property of his body which is the same as Hashirama's body.

There is not basis for that.

This thread's purpose is to rationalize whether Ashura inherited the bijuus or if Hagoromo gave them to the people like Hashirama did, not whether Ashura had and used Kurama or not. This is the last time I'm saying this. If anyone else argues solely about Kurama again, I will consider it off-topic and report it.​