I really hate this manga.

[BlacLord™]

The artwork was awful in Part 1.

It was totally inconsistent, messy and totally unrefined. Just look at Naruto done in Part 1 vs. Part 2:

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[DaileyM]

Yeah well. You read it yourself.

 

[take it easy]

hated manga but still reading... dat nardo fandom

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Here is where you are making assumptions. I have repeatedly ranted on this forum that how much I hate the power scaling, the plot holes, the inconsistency, and that I adore Sasuke because of his characterization. Don't make shots in the dark.

Kage, not Gokage. Don't know where you got this from. The part one power scaling was Hizuren. The fact this guy even scratched Madara is laughable. It was a huge upgrade from what was outright stated in part one. So you keeping Gai out, and yet ranting about power scaling is pretty strange.

As far as consistency is concerned, then few characters were meant to be the best and were meant to become more than legends - Sasuke was one of them and Uchiha Clan were always stated to be the top dogs. I don't see your point. If you want to talk about the obscene Naruto Ball Z power scaling here, then I agree with you, but mentioning Gai and then talking about Clans when Canon manga has given them a better pedestal is not a sound argument.

You're one to talk about assumptions - I made no explicit reference to Tobirama at all. If anything I was berating him as well.

Pretty sure Kakashi said it was the five Kage. I don't see how this is relevant to what I was saying? I don't remember ever making any excuses for Gai,I just never explicitly mentioned him, as he's a minor crack on shattered glass. Doesn't mean it isn't a valid point though.

Not necessarily. Hiruzen was Kage without any KKG - so was Gaara's dad before he was retconed. Orochimaru and Jiraiya also had no special background to speak of, yet all were relevant. Itachi also praised Gai as not to be overestimated. Fact is you didn't have to have amazing genetics to be strong in part one. There was never an explicit gap between Hashirama/Madara and other Kage level Shinobi that I can remember - Hiruzen was even stated and (before retconed.) shown to be stronger than Hashirama by a margin.

In fact, Hiruzen is the only proof I need - generally accepted as the strongest Shinobi ever simply because of his Jutsu prowess and nothing else.

I don't advocate any DBZ power scaling at all in this manga. You're misinterpreting me.

 

[Mahesvara]

These later parts have a DBZ feel to them, but I love DBZ, so I am perfectly fine with this and it is still Naruto just flashier and has more explosions. Though I do agree he has made some characters irrelevant in part two that I thought should have had way more screen/panel time like Neji.

 

[Darkas]

You're one to talk about assumptions - I made no explicit reference to Tobirama at all. If anything I was berating him as well.

Pretty sure Kakashi said it was the five Kage. I don't see how this is relevant to what I was saying? I don't remember ever making any excuses for Gai,I just never explicitly mentioned him, as he's a minor crack on shattered glass. Doesn't mean it isn't a valid point though.

Not necessarily. Hiruzen was Kage without any KKG - so was Gaara's dad before he was retconed. Orochimaru and Jiraiya also had no special background to speak of, yet all were relevant. Itachi also praised Gai as not to be overestimated. Fact is you didn't have to have amazing genetics to be strong in part one. There was never an explicit gap between Hashirama/Madara and other Kage level Shinobi that I can remember - Hiruzen was even stated and (before retconed.) shown to be stronger than Hashirama by a margin.

In fact, Hiruzen is the only proof I need - generally accepted as the strongest Shinobi ever simply because of his Jutsu prowess and nothing else.

I don't advocate any DBZ power scaling at all in this manga. You're misinterpreting me.

You are a hypocrite. How can you talk shit and be on a site where is mostly base on Naruto.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

You are a hypocrite. How can you talk shit and be on a site where is mostly base on Naruto.

Don't remember talking to you. I already gathered you weren't worth a response. How am I a hypocrite?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

To an extent, I agree.

I dislike casual mountain busting by anything other then an uncontrollable force. I.E. Bijuu, Juubi. If it must be done, I wish these actions would cause some stress for the caster or a good deal of build up time.

The Senju/Uchiha clans got too much attention, well. The story is about them. But there's also other clans that could of received some lime light, even briefly. Maybe another Yuki clan member would arise or a Kaguya. The Hozuki are amazingly powerful and relevant in the Mist, surely some of that would travel over to the rest of the shinobi world. My point being, antagonists or protagonists that use unique fighting styles (Mei, The Hyuuga, Deidara), it would of been nice to see some shinobi be capable of standing toe to toe with powerful Senju and Uchiha. Even if it's just a premature EMS Sasuke or Tobirama. That alone is impressive.

 

[Stacks]

To piss you off more, Kishi revives not only Gai, but Neji x)

WITH A BONUS ITACHI



If you're gonna say this about Naruto, say something about DBZ.

 

[Haizaki]

I don't like how you're bashing something that is free. Especially how people don't care much about his well being in real life. Kishimoto is a human being just like me and you. Be grateful he's still able to wake up everyday and write. Even if it seems like things aren't going the way you want them to, Kishimoto is a hard worker. I don't think anyone who selfish understand the work it takes to wake up everyday illustrate and write. This guy is still going even after his dad recently died. So give him a break.

This exactly,
I hate when people complain about the manga not going their way..There are hundreds if not thousands of people reading it as well...everyone wants it to got their way as well...if it ends up not going how you want it to, then you suddenly say you hate it?..come on...be considerate..kishi doesn't think like you do..consider these things..he's trying his best

 

[shelke]

You're one to talk about assumptions - I made no explicit reference to Tobirama at all. If anything I was berating him as well.

Pretty sure Kakashi said it was the five Kage. I don't see how this is relevant to what I was saying? I don't remember ever making any excuses for Gai,I just never explicitly mentioned him, as he's a minor crack on shattered glass. Doesn't mean it isn't a valid point though.

Not necessarily. Hiruzen was Kage without any KKG, Orochimaru and Jiraiya also had no special background to speak of, yet all were relevant. Itachi also praised Gai as not to be overestimated. Fact is you didn't have to have amazing genetics to be strong in part one. There was never an explicit gap between Hashirama/Madara and other Shinobi - Hiruzen was even stated and (before retconed.) shown to be stronger than Hashirama by a margin.

I don't advocate any DBZ power scaling at all in this manga. You're misinterpreting me.

It was a joke.

In part one? No he didn't. He said the power of a Single Ho-Kage:

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Now it's more than all Gokage combined and then some. The fact that this guy pushed Juubi Jin to this level is borderline retarded.

I never implied that others shouldn't be strong, I said the manga states that certain Clans had more to their merits. It was never implied other than by Iruka that Hizuren was stronger than Hashirama.

I am, as this power-scaling is hilarious. This manga went to hell the second Naruto went 4-tails against Orochimaru. The Tailed-beats' power shouldn't have been at this level. That demonstration by Naruto was ridiculous enough - it only escalated later on, with Kishimoto desperately trying to raise power levels to match Naruto's.

It's Naruto's character itself that has ruined this manga.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I like Gai, he's slowly gaining ground on my top ten list. But his ability to stand up to the Juubi Jin. is rather stupid. I get that he's fast and strong, but for the Juubi's container to be practically powerless against an experienced taijutsu user such as Gai is. . . It really takes even more tension away from the manga then before.

I would of believed the power of the eighth gate more and found it more realistic if this was a Sage Mode, Rinnegan Madara taking the beating. I could see that Madara having a tough time against the power of the eighth gate. But for the man capable of focusing the juubi's power and become a complete monster to nearly die to it. . .

Not a fan.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

It was a joke.

In part one? No he didn't. He said the power of a Single Ho-Kage:

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Now it's more than all Gokage combined and then some.

I never implied that others shouldn't be strong, I said the manga states that certain Clans had more to their merits. It was never implied other than by Iruka that Hizuren was stronger than Hashirama.

I am as this power-scaling is hilarious. This manga went to hell the second Naruto went 4-tails against Orochimaru.

I thought you took offense. My apologies, was playing poker and I wrote whatever came to my head without much though.

Right. Still, I don't remember making excuses for it - I see it as all nonsense.

And that's reasonable. He was hyped up by maybe as being incredibly strong - Iruka may have been the only one that stated it, but, be honest with yourself, if you saw Hashirama as an Edo - before it was retconed and stated he wasn't at full strength - you would've thought the same.

Nah man. I hate it.

This exactly,
I hate when people complain about the manga not going their way..There are hundreds if not thousands of people reading it as well...everyone wants it to got their way as well...if it ends up not going how you want it to, then you suddenly say you hate it?..come on...be considerate..kishi doesn't think like you do..consider these things..he's trying his best

I don't remember Kishi's dad dying at the start of Shippuden. I fail to see how it would affect his mental capacity anyway.

 

[Conspirator.]

In hindsight, it's not that shocking that the power scaling became like it has now. At the end of part 1, we were told that a valley was created from a fight between 2 men, and at the beginning we were told that the kyuubi could wipe out mountains. We were always going to reach this level of power. Not that I particularly enjoy it. The naruto vs sasuke fight is probably going to be a bm vs ps, with little to no strategy involved.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Things change over time. Gai is still a boss because he got all his power from hard work. The K11 were a big part in the war. Ino helped defeat the Gold Brother Kinkaku, compared to her Kakuzu fight where she was fodder. Choji fought Gedo Mazo, Shikamaru helped with Juubi, K11 showed new moves, Sakura showed her yin seal. Kishi has not forgotten them. Lee also saved Gai and threw the Kunai to teleport Minato.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I like Gai, he's slowly gaining ground on my top ten list. But his ability to stand up to the Juubi Jin. is rather stupid. I get that he's fast and strong, but for the Juubi's container to be practically powerless against an experienced taijutsu user such as Gai is. . . It really takes even more tension away from the manga then before.

I would of believed the power of the eighth gate more and found it more realistic if this was a Sage Mode, Rinnegan Madara taking the beating. I could see that Madara having a tough time against the power of the eighth gate. But for the man capable of focusing the juubi's power and become a complete monster to nearly die to it. . .

Not a fan.

My core point is that Madara - if he were to be revived - shouldn't have been so strong to begin with. If the scaling were to remain constant it should'nt of had anything to do with the RS. What exactly is Shinobi about that?

A true Kage Level fight was never actually shown in part one, we saw Oro outclass and go easy on a heavily weakened Hiruzen. That's it.

 

[Six paths of Sasuke]

true...whats ht epoint of working hard if your just some reincarnation who is destined to do asomething..


funny how shinboi saying you have no free will in infinite tsukoimioyo

but yet ashura and indras reincarnations are always going to have same mind set...

 

[Darkas]

Don't remember talking to you. I already gathered you weren't worth a response. How am I a hypocrite?

I wasn't worth a response because I spoke truth. You mad??? Deal with it. Stop ****ing condescending then be a hypocrite later you peasant. Oh, I cuss but that doesn't state i'm mad or a hypocrite at least. Bring proof instead of gibberish.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Thread: I really hate this manga.
"don't like it, go read something else or write your own damn manga since you fancy yourself a big shot" - SkyGodHorus.

Lel.

I wasn't worth a response because I spoke truth. You mad??? Deal with it. Stop ****ing condescending then be a hypocrite later you peasant. Oh, I cuss but that doesn't state i'm mad or a hypocrite at least. Bring proof instead of gibberish.

You brought up stupid points, therefore I thought you weren't worth replying to, simple as that. Tell me again how Kishimoto's father passing away a few months ago affect his work several years ago? How am I a hypocrite again?

I'll give you one post to redeem yourself before I shut you out.

 

[Jowy Atreides]

I don't remember Kishi's dad dying at the start of Shippuden. I fail to see how it would affect his mental capacity anyway.

Kishi haven't even gone on a honeymoon yet, and he got kids already, what do you think non-stop workload does to you?