Minato has trained for sm but

[AmericanShinobi]

Minato was just standing there before he attacked Madara, honestly he probably did it while waiting for Obito to do his thing.

Plus he doesn't have the 9 tails in him anymore, maybe he was bein a douche and didn't let him have both senjutsu with his chakra.

 

[SkylineGTR]

If it's such a logical thing, please provide proof in the manga about it.

Otherwise, it's still an ass-pull.

 

[Meowazziel]

Omg rofl. If he wouldve had it then he wouldve used it in the foght with kurama as he would never have been impaled in perfect sage mode.

Than his son would have been impaled.
He didnt dodge Kurama's claw, he jumped towards the claw, in front of it, to prevent it from hitting Naruto.

 

[Draxus]

you should have realized that this is not the only time "minato" has seen naruto fight/gather nature energy. it is known that he could sense nature energy AND was a sensor type too if he choose to, so he most likely sensed how naruto was doing it.

I suppose if you were writing a Naruto Fan-fic this would make any sense. However if we're talking canon manga... you can't sense nature energy unless you've already trained to be a sage. On top of that, just sensing someone doing it and then being able to do it something only a sharingan user can do.

It's feasible to believe Minato learned SM when he was alive, but it's still an ass pull. However him learning it just by watching Naruto is dumb.

 

[Meowazziel]

I suppose if you were writing a Naruto Fan-fic this would make any sense. However if we're talking canon manga... you can't sense nature energy unless you've already trained to be a sage. On top of that, just sensing someone doing it and then being able to do it something only a sharingan user can do.

It's feasible to believe Minato learned SM when he was alive, but it's still an ass pull. However him learning it just by watching Naruto is dumb.

You can sense natural energy.

Check this thread about Karin. I dont think she trained to be a sage or has the curse seal, yet she
can sense people who use the curse seal, which is a form of sage mode.

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[JIRAIYA perv]

god that explanation .......................

you see i don't blame anyone but, the writer for this.

if the readers are split in two LARGE groups arguing about something in the manga being BS or not then the writer must have done something wrong/didn't explain enough and in this case he didn't explain anything.

Minato died because he didn't have enough chakra to fight off the Kyuubi and now we discover that he had SM in his arsenal ................... making up theories about Edo tensei not letting Minato turn to a frog is not the answer :yeah:

 

[Draxus]

You can sense natural energy.

Check this thread about Karin. I dont think she trained to be a sage or has the curse seal, yet she
can sense people who use the curse seal, which is a form of sage mode.

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When people use curse seal they aren't pure natural energy. Of course being able to sense chakra would allow her to see when someone's chakra is being altered, doesn't mean she can sense the element that's effecting it or even to what extent. Remember, senjutsu is still a type of chakra.

So tired of debating this I decided to do the leg work and show you a page that being able to sense natural energy is synonyms with being able to draw it in you.

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In other words to be able to sense natural energy you need to train in using senjutsu first.

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[Straw Hat Zoro]

Im shocked that we are all talking about this still. I mean its going on 4 days now. I think we either have to accept it or call it an asspull until Kishi gives us an answer. Who knows maybe next week we get the answer why he has SM and why he waited till now to use it. All the Fan hate might force Kishis hand who knows.

 

[Meowazziel]

When people use curse seal they aren't pure natural energy. Of course being able to sense chakra would allow her to see when someone's chakra is being altered, doesn't mean she can sense the element that's effecting it or even to what extent.

So tired of debating this I decided to do the leg work and show you a page that being able to sense natural energy is synonyms with being able to draw it in you.

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In other words to be able to sense natural energy you need to train in using senjutsu first.

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Those are scans about Naruto and the frog talks about Naruto specifically.
Naruto can not sense any form of chakra without Kurama or without SM, so obviously he needed SM to sense changes in pa frogs chakra.

Obviously I am not talking about sensing someone who is pure nature energy and nothing more, because the only known creature that is like that, is the Juubi itself, but all known users who are human, are a combination of their own chakra and nature energy.

For a sage user, their chakra changes, just as it does for a curse seal mode user, because the nature energy combines with
the users own chakra. Karin can sense this change in chakra and thus, sense when someone is using nature energy.
She has been among prisoner curse seal users for a long time.

The chakra change when someone uses Izanagi is something that is considered to hard to sense, yet Karin could do it.

Jinchuriki die instantly once a bijou is removed, yet this instant part, doesnt apply to Uzumaki/full blood Uzumaki.

Karin is a special case among sensors.

 

[Draxus]

Those are scans about Naruto and the frog talks about Naruto specifically.
Naruto can not sense any form of chakra without Kurama or without SM, so obviously he needed SM to sense changes in pa frogs chakra.

No, Pa was speaking generally.

Obviously I am not talking about sensing someone who is pure nature energy and nothing more, because the only known creature that is like that, is the Juubi itself, but all known users who are human, are a combination of their own chakra and nature energy.

I know, I was talking about sensing natural energy. So next time I post about sensing natural energy please don't link your thread about sensing SENJUTSU.

For a sage user, their chakra changes, just as it does for a curse seal mode user, because the nature energy combines with
the users own chakra. Karin can sense this change in chakra and thus, sense when someone is using nature energy.

Again sensing when someone is using natural energy and sensing natural energy itself are not the same thing.

The chakra change when someone uses Izanagi is something that is considered to hard to sense, yet Karin could do it.

Never seen that panel. Again this is not relevant to sensing natural energy.

Jinchuriki die instantly once a bijou is removed, yet this instant part, doesnt apply to Uzumaki/full blood Uzumaki.

Karin is a special case among sensors.

They don't die because they have strong life force and large chakra pools. Just because Karin is special case, doesn't make her a Mary Sue. Even if it did, she would still be the exception and NOT the rule.

 

[Shinato]

They don't die because they have strong life force and large chakra pools. Just because Karin is special case, doesn't make her a Mary Sue. Even if it did, she would still be the exception and NOT the rule.

Everyone dies from Bijuu extraction, Uzumaki's included. They just don't die instantly and that is thanks to their life force, though they die regardless.

 

[Draxus]

Everyone dies from Bijuu extraction, Uzumaki's included. They just don't die instantly and that is thanks to their life force, though they die regardless.

Please GTFO... If you read the post I quoted you would see I meant "die instantly".

 

[Jako98146]

Yes, it can potentially take people over, but being Edo means that they get unlimited chakra, not stabilized chakra

 

[Floydical]

He wasnt capable of using it because it would take him over. Now that he is edo he can use it as his chakra is fixed stable. Now please stop argueing about such a logical thing.

If I understand your logic, you are saying that he learned sage mode but could not use it because he wasn't able to control the volume he took in, therefore it would have turned him into a toad and killed him right? But if that were the case, when he used it as an edo, he would still transform into a frog despite being an edo. Edo tensei prevents death, but it doesn't suddenly keep him from turning into a frog. The fact that he shows no sign of turning into a frog while using it means he has complete control of the technique.

I'm also really tired of the number of people who rate their own thread. Obviously anyone who rates their own thread is biased and will rate it a 5 no matter what the quality of thread. Its really quite sad if you ask me.

 

[osba]

If I understand your logic, you are saying that he learned sage mode but could not use it because he wasn't able to control the volume he took in, therefore it would have turned him into a toad and killed him right? But if that were the case, when he used it as an edo, he would still transform into a frog despite being an edo. Edo tensei prevents death, but it doesn't suddenly keep him from turning into a frog. The fact that he shows no sign of turning into a frog while using it means he has complete control of the technique.

I'm also really tired of the number of people who rate their own thread. Obviously anyone who rates their own thread is biased and will rate it a 5 no matter what the quality of thread. Its really quite sad if you ask me.

so what does that make you, rating this thread one star because i rated my own thread? is my vote not worthy to be counted? not sure who is biased here. pretty much everybody does it and im pretty sure you do too.. they need to fix this though, i'll agree with you on that.

and secondly, you clearly did not do any research before you made that statement.. "but if that were the case, when he used it as an edo, he would still transform into a frog despite being an edo" i present to you, edo tensei:

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come back once you actually know what your talking about or stay away.

 

[Floydical]

so what does that make you, rating this thread one star because i rated my own thread? is my vote not worthy to be counted? not sure who is biased here. pretty much everybody does it and im pretty sure you do too.. they need to fix this though, i'll agree with you on that.

and secondly, you clearly did not do any research before you made that statement.. "but if that were the case, when he used it as an edo, he would still transform into a frog despite being an edo" i present to you, edo tensei:

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come back once you actually know what your talking about or stay away.

Actually I never rate my own threads, and the thread creator shouldn't be able to rate their own threads. I rated yours a 1 because its no better than a 3 star thread and since no one else it gonna vote on it, it might as well show up as a 3 star thread to everyone else. I was just leveling the playing field since you were biased at the start.

And no, Edo's still take damage. They are still prone to be affected by things that normal humans are. This means he would suffer the affects of frog transformation too. Like I said, Minato does not turn into a frog AT ALL. If the had only partial mastery of the jutsu (like Jirayia) he would at least show signs of frog transformation. He, however, appears to be a perfect user of the Jutsu, like Naruto, showing now frog-like signs.

Thanks for pointing out a wiki that is solely based on manga facts that we already know. Posting the link to wiki is the same as doing nothing.

 

[SkylineGTR]

This thread is full of LAWL, right from the beginning.

You provide NO solid evidence to back up your claim besides a thread to a wiki link. Which, if you've ever taken writing classes or have gone to school, isn't something you should be using to solely base your arguments of.

If you look at the picture I provide (something you should do to prove your point), you will see something that illustrates a lack of continuity with the manga.

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If you read these panels in the correct order you will notice that before Minato "awakens" his SM, he throws something at Madara's foot. What is it? Well its one of his marked Kunais that he uses for his teleportation technique. Now, that isn't the mistake, but the fact that he enters SM while throwing something is. It is already stated by Pa and shown by Jiraya that one has to remain perfectly still to gather SM. However, just prior to entering SM, Minato throws something. Doesn't that go against what Kishi already stated? I would say it does.

And don't even bother saying its because he's a genius that he was able to do it. Because I am sure that if it were possible, Naruto himself would have figured it out as well.

See, I have given you proof why I believe its an ass-pull. Something you should do.

 

[osba]

This thread is full of LAWL, right from the beginning.

You provide NO solid evidence to back up your claim besides a thread to a wiki link. Which, if you've ever taken writing classes or have gone to school, isn't something you should be using to solely base your arguments of.

If you look at the picture I provide (something you should do to prove your point), you will see something that illustrates a lack of continuity with the manga.

You must be registered for see images

If you read these panels in the correct order you will notice that before Minato "awakens" his SM, he throws something at Madara's foot. What is it? Well its one of his marked Kunais that he uses for his teleportation technique. Now, that isn't the mistake, but the fact that he enters SM while throwing something is. It is already stated by Pa and shown by Jiraya that one has to remain perfectly still to gather SM. However, just prior to entering SM, Minato throws something. Doesn't that go against what Kishi already stated? I would say it does.

And don't even bother saying its because he's a genius that he was able to do it. Because I am sure that if it were possible, Naruto himself would have figured it out as well.

See, I have given you proof why I believe its an ass-pull. Something you should do.

naruto did figure out how to get his sage mode near instantanious.. he made a notion on this himself just a few chapters ago.

 

[SkylineGTR]

Did you even understand what I posted?

Regardless of how fast he did it, he shouldn't have been able to since he moved. Last I checked, you can't move while attempting to enter SM no matter how fast you do it. You would then have to re-absorb the natural energy again without moving. The fact that he did it in record time (faster then Naruto) right after moving goes against Kishi's storyline and logic.

And please provide evidence to where Naruto learned to enter SM instantaneously or said it because you have no proof.

 

[osba]

Did you even understand what I posted?

Regardless of how fast he did it, he shouldn't have been able to since he moved. Last I checked, you can't move while attempting to enter SM no matter how fast you do it. You would then have to re-absorb the natural energy again without moving. The fact that he did it in record time (faster then Naruto) right after moving goes against Kishi's storyline and logic.

And please provide evidence to where Naruto learned to enter SM instantaneously or said it because you have no proof.

so you are saying that there is no time between manga slides?