Not everyone is believing the hype?

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I already knew he could use all 5 natures. This did not impact his rating then, it doesn't impact it now. Kakashi has copied 1000 jutsu, but without Kamui he's not even top 10. Barely top 15.

Being able to use multiple elements doesn't matter when everyone in the top 15 have jutsu so OP that standard ninjutsu can't possibly compare.

I agree with what your saying, and your right in saying kakashi without kamui is not top 10 and the situation is similar for hiruzen. All I'm trying to get through to people is that clearly his hype is real that he is the strongest, at least I believe it but in his current state I agree he is not top 10 but prime hiruzen would be number 1. We will never know cause he has been brought back old. So its up to the reader to believe it or not as it will not be shown and even if he pulls out more feats and pulls up to top 10 status I'm saying it will pale in co passion to his prime state.

 

[Trollasaur]

Im upset? Lol

You're the one who replied to my post, telling me to stop acting like an "idiot".

What a fail.

This is going to sound nerdy as hell but I can't put it in better words.

I said that because I expected better of you.

But hey, I don't really care in the end. Like I said I'm out.

 

[-Punk-]

His one panel is up, Orochimaru and company are acting next chapter.

Everyone gets a chance , Oro is next to solo # The Snake It's a brewin .

 

[Flawž]

This is going to sound nerdy as hell but I can't put it in better words.

I said that because I expected better of you.

But hey, I don't really care in the end. Like I said I'm out.

Sure, buddy. What ever you say.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Hiruzen = brought back at full power

Minato = brought back beyond full power

Tobirama and Hashirama = brought back less than full power.

Prime = Age

Grandpa = Not Prime #Mangafacts

You guys keep failing to show where its stated that Prime Hiruzen had more chakra than normal old Hiruzen?

Its not even about the chakra of course he has less, but more Importantly to you k ow what happened as you get older? Your mind d starts to slow down as do your reactions, your speed is diminished and your strength leaves your body, you feel more pain than normal and your body is weak. Now how can you say he is brought back full power when we have only seen him as an old man? Its like me trying to compare current hashiramas state vs hiruzen yeah hiruzen eats him for breakfast

 

[Obitard]

#noPrimeTobirama
#NoPrimeHashirama

List can keep going mate.

Hiruzen's prime is overhyped by the fans, not the manga. Enma simply said he was in a pathetic shape, due to the fact he was old and feeling the burden of old age on his real body. Can't say the same for Edo tensei.

5 Shadow clones effortlessly.. while he was exhausting to pull up 3 shadow clones in part 1.

Hiruzen fans finished
Flawless victory

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Hiruzen fans finished
Flawless victory

Well that's the power of hiruzen for you he pulls out 5 this time but still your not satisfied, expect a hundred next chapter

 

[Obitard]

Well that's the power of hiruzen for you he pulls out 5 this time but still your not satisfied, expect a hundred next chapter

Never said it wasn't impressive for a regular ninja to use all 5 elements with no extra abilities. But he countered zetsu not madara. He is one of the best out there no doubt but with all the others like hashirama, tobirama, minato, and madara. Whether he is prime or not he still hasn't done anything in his lifetime besides master jutusu. Kakashi can use all elements but that doesn't mean he is the best fighter ever. Hiruzen has yet to crush anyone or go on the offensive without shuriken

 

[Obitard]

Well that's the power of hiruzen for you he pulls out 5 this time but still your not satisfied, expect a hundred next chapter

Never said it wasn't impressive for a regular ninja to use all 5 elements with no extra abilities. But he countered zetsu not madara. He is one of the best out there no doubt but with all the others like hashirama, tobirama, minato, and madara. Whether he is prime or not he still hasn't done anything in his lifetime besides master jutusu. Kakashi can use all elements but that doesn't mean he is the best fighter ever. Hiruzen has yet to crush anyone or go on the offensive without shuriken

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Never said it wasn't impressive for a regular ninja to use all 5 elements with no extra abilities. But he countered zetsu not madara. He is one of the best out there no doubt but with all the others like hashirama, tobirama, minato, and madara. Whether he is prime or not he still hasn't done anything in his lifetime besides master jutusu. Kakashi can use all elements but that doesn't mean he is the best fighter ever. Hiruzen has yet to crush anyone or go on the offensive without shuriken

Lol in that post I meant the number of clones but yes he needs to take on madara to see how he does, probably not good as madara has crazy plot on his side. Anyway kakashi only has 3 chakra natures, he has not shown fire style in the manga and does not have wind style, just to let you know

 

[Obitard]

Lol in that post I meant the number of clones but yes he needs to take on madara to see how he does, probably not good as madara has crazy plot on his side. Anyway kakashi only has 3 chakra natures, he has not shown fire style in the manga and does not have wind style, just to let you know

I was trying to recall if Kakashi had wind techniques so I just went with it. But Kishi needs to officially release a list because first hashi was the best but than hiruzen nothing was really known about tobirama except 20 nobodies killed him. Minato was mostly kept in secrecy because he was narutos dad it's just a lot of inconsistencies