Misconception: Itachi and Jiraiya are not equals

[Unbiased]

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Some people have been claiming that Itachi and Jiraiya are equal which is not the case at all.

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By the way, did I mention Itachi was scared of Jiraiya even with Kisame on his side?

This accusation is based off chapter 144 page 8

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Let's examine the text. Note how they are talking

Kisame: Even if you might be able to take him on, I'm not so sure about me. He's in a diferent league.

Itachi: Yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome.

Kisame: It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop but his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. With him as our enemy even the titles of konoha's uchiha clan and seven ninja swordsmen of the mist pale in comparison.

Now I'm interrupting at this part (don't wet yourselves I'm going to finish, I'd just like to point out that they are referring to Naruto or more specifically Kurama when they speak of him. Back to the story.

Itachi: Yeah...However...even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses.

We all know the rest of the story, Itachi uses genjutsu to separate Naruto from Jiraiya and they attempt to take naruto away until Jiraiya realizes that he was tricked by Itachi and interferes with their plan.

Now Kisame states that their titles pale in comparison. That doesn't mean that their capabilities are not equal if not superior. The title Sannin was a title given to them by one of the strongest ninjas in the world at that time. Examples to back up my statement.

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So as you can clearly see. Hanzo was known throughout the world. Being praised by hanzo is far superior than that of being an Uchiha let alone a swordsmen of the mist as stated by Kisame.

Overall this thread was to just prove a point that Itachi and Kisame weren't scared of Jiraiya but rather naruto and kurama. I made the parts where they reference Naruto and Kurama in bold to make the differential more obvious. I also had to re-upload some of these images due to restrictions and such. Either way thanks for reading.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Presumably a moderator might show up. So in the event of this I'm going to state right here that this is an unbiased thread, no character bashing has been made, and is simply to clear up a common and ongoing misconception within the Naruto Manga for years. Also if you're reading this Ira/Tsuchi I'd just like to say hello . Now onto the thread.

Some people have been claiming that Itachi and Jiraiya are equal which is not the case at all.
This accusation is based off chapter 144 page 8

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Let's examine the text. Note how they are talking

Kisame: Even if you might be able to take him on, I'm not so sure about me. He's in a diferent league.

Itachi: Yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome.

Kisame: It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop but his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. With him as our enemy even the titles of konoha's uchiha clan and seven ninja swordsmen of the mist pale in comparison.

Now I'm interrupting at this part (don't wet yourselves I'm going to finish, I'd just like to point out that they are referring to Naruto or more specifically Kurama when they speak of him. Back to the story.

Itachi: Yeah...However...even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses.

We all know the rest of the story, Itachi uses genjutsu to separate Naruto from Jiraiya and they attempt to take naruto away until Jiraiya realizes that he was tricked by Itachi and interferes with their plan.

Now Kisame states that their titles pale in comparison. That doesn't mean that their capabilities are not equal if not superior. The title Sannin was a title given to them by one of the strongest ninjas in the world at that time. Examples to back up my statement.

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So as you can clearly see. Hanzo was known throughout the world. Being praised by hanzo is far superior than that of being an Uchiha let alone a swordsmen of the mist as stated by Kisame.

Overall this thread was to just prove a point that Itachi and Kisame weren't scared of Jiraiya but rather naruto and kurama. I made the parts where they reference Naruto and Kurama in bold to make the differential more obvious. I also had to re-upload some of these images due to restrictions and such. Either way thanks for reading.

I am here.......

 

[Prince Charles]

Honestly everyone knows Itachi was

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the hell out of kisame, he was a undercover spy for the leaf so why fight jiriaya...

the man even saids even with backup it wouldnt change the outcome.. that means potentially jiriaya>itachi+kisame+ other akatsuki members if you think jiriaya can pull that off your on that good kush and alcohol

 

[VolatileSoul]

That argument never even made sense in the first place. Itachi says he's inferior to Jiraiya yet goes on to say how only an Uchiha with sharingan can beat him.

 

[Unbiased]

That argument never even made sense in the first place. Itachi says he's inferior to Jiraiya yet goes on to say how only an Uchiha with sharingan can beat him.

Not exactly where I was going with it but no matter it further supports my side so thank you.

Honestly everyone knows Itachi was

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the hell out of kisame, he was a undercover spy for the leaf so why fight jiriaya...

the man even saids even with backup it wouldnt change the outcome.. that means potentially jiriaya>itachi+kisame+ other akatsuki members if you think jiriaya can pull that off your on that good kush and alcohol

I don't often agree with you, it's generally never lol but I appreciate you bringing things into a realistic context.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

Madara is called immortal by itachi,,, is he??? NO

tobi is called madara by itachi and Kisame, is he?? NO

 

[Unbiased]

Madara is called immortal by itachi,,, is he??? NO

tobi is called madara by itachi and Kisame, is he?? NO

The point of this thread is not comparing Itachi to Jiraiya. It's demonstrating an ongoing misconception that Itachi was referring to stalemating with Jiraiya when he was in fact referring to Naruto and Kurama.

 

[Sir Blades]

Absolutely not. That was only to the part where Kizame was satisfied with finding Naruto. They were in no shape scared of Naruto and Kurama. It was a cautionary step concerning Jiraiya. But I am in no way shape or form saying that Itachi and Kizame were "scared" of J-man, they were being cautious.

 

[Prince Charles]

Not exactly where I was going with it but no matter it further supports my side so thank you.



I don't often agree with you, it's generally never lol but I appreciate you bringing things into a realistic context.

so you agree with the fact that jiriaya can take on itachi and kisame + other akatsuki members and potentially pull off a win? thats what itachi basically said which is BS

 

[Wolfus]

Madara is called immortal by itachi,,, is he??? NO

tobi is called madara by itachi and Kisame, is he?? NO

But when zetsu says something about 2 weapons(totsuka and yata) is instantly true, right?

 

[China IL]

Why is Jiraiya doubted so? His SM makes him top 20 if not higher. He takes the fodder Itachi with ease.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Presumably a moderator might show up. So in the event of this I'm going to state right here that this is an unbiased thread, no character bashing has been made, and is simply to clear up a common and ongoing misconception within the Naruto Manga for years. Also if you're reading this Ira/Tsuchi I'd just like to say hello . Now onto the thread.

Some people have been claiming that Itachi and Jiraiya are equal which is not the case at all.
This accusation is based off chapter 144 page 8

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Let's examine the text. Note how they are talking

Kisame: Even if you might be able to take him on, I'm not so sure about me. He's in a diferent league.

Itachi: Yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome.

Kisame: It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop but his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. With him as our enemy even the titles of konoha's uchiha clan and seven ninja swordsmen of the mist pale in comparison.

Now I'm interrupting at this part (don't wet yourselves I'm going to finish, I'd just like to point out that they are referring to Naruto or more specifically Kurama when they speak of him. Back to the story.

Itachi: Yeah...However...even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses.

We all know the rest of the story, Itachi uses genjutsu to separate Naruto from Jiraiya and they attempt to take naruto away until Jiraiya realizes that he was tricked by Itachi and interferes with their plan.

Now Kisame states that their titles pale in comparison. That doesn't mean that their capabilities are not equal if not superior. The title Sannin was a title given to them by one of the strongest ninjas in the world at that time. Examples to back up my statement.

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So as you can clearly see. Hanzo was known throughout the world. Being praised by hanzo is far superior than that of being an Uchiha let alone a swordsmen of the mist as stated by Kisame.

Overall this thread was to just prove a point that Itachi and Kisame weren't scared of Jiraiya but rather naruto and kurama. I made the parts where they reference Naruto and Kurama in bold to make the differential more obvious. I also had to re-upload some of these images due to restrictions and such. Either way thanks for reading.

This can be interpreted a thousand different ways, depending on your view and your fanboyism. Fact = Jiraiya and Itachi are some of the strongest charcters in NV, the fight would be close, but SM Jiraiya would win, Itachi didn't want to risk losing, why risk it? Easier to avoid Jiraiya all together.

 

[Unbiased]

so you agree with the fact that jiriaya can take on itachi and kisame + other akatsuki members and potentially pull off a win? thats what itachi basically said which is BS

No. Itachi was clearly referring to Naruto and the Kyuubi.

Absolutely not. That was only to the part where Kizame was satisfied with finding Naruto. They were in no shape scared of Naruto and Kurama. It was a cautionary step concerning Jiraiya. But I am in no way shape or form saying that Itachi and Kizame were "scared" of J-man, they were being cautious.

isame: Even if you might be able to take him on, I'm not so sure about me. He's in a diferent league.

Itachi: Yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome.

Kisame: It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop but his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. With him as our enemy even the titles of konoha's uchiha clan and seven ninja swordsmen of the mist pale in comparison.

It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop but HIS baby sitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. This statement demonstrates that they have been referring to Naruto and Kurama the whole time.

 

[Αizen]

Itachi wrecks...with no difficulties

 

[Bogard]

The "his" doesn't exist in the Japanese language. Its where the traduction problem appear. This has been already been discussed plenty of times and the general consensus states he was talking about Jiraya.

Besides this you also forget other parallels

- Itachi despite Kisame as back up decides to avoid Jiraya while taking care of Naruto alone. This way of thinking alone should have showed you that the one he was fearing was Jiraya, not Naruto/Kyubi

- Jiraya just used one move and he almost captured both Kisame and Itachi, said Itachi who was forced to flee away using his strongest offensive close range jutsu to escape and take a rest

- Jiraya and Itachi have the same amount of stats in the data book(author hint)

- Kishi creates an arc for them dying at the same time

- Jiraya possess SM(only sannin who managed) when Itachi possess MS and both have been portrayed as counter parts(Madara-Hashirama, Naruti-Sasuke, Kabuto-Sasuke/Itachi), so Itachi and Jiraya as well

- Both are still hyped even beyond death with Jubito even stating Jiraya defeated him(non objective but still).

- The strongest in Akatsuki stated he would have died if he knew his secret when the real leader stated something similar
Its clear for me that Kishi always wanted them to be equal at the very least

 

[Prince Charles]

It looked as though to me he was referring to jiriaya ...

It seems a bit weird kisame would be shitting his pants against a 12 year old kid that cant even control his bijuu powers but has the balls to go up against bee...

 

[Waltz]

Absolutely not. That was only to the part where Kizame was satisfied with finding Naruto. They were in no shape scared of Naruto and Kurama. It was a cautionary step concerning Jiraiya. But I am in no way shape or form saying that Itachi and Kizame were "scared" of J-man, they were being cautious.

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Itachi wasn't being serious anyway. Later on in the series he caught Naruto in Dusk Crow Genjutsu for extended moments without Naruto even realizing and could have finished him off. ​

 

[Ryanel]

That page is a mistranslation as many has stated jp version they are talking about Jman

 

[Unbiased]

The "his" doesn't exist in the Japanese language. Its where the traduction problem appear. This has been already been discussed plenty of times and the general consensus states he was talking about Jiraya.

Besides this you also forget other parallels

- Itachi despite Kisame as back up decides to avoid Jiraya while taking care of Naruto alone. This way of thinking alone should have showed you that the one he was fearing was Jiraya, not Naruto/Kyubi

- Jiraya just used one move and he almost captured both Kisame and Itachi, said Itachi who was forced to flee away using his strongest offensive close range jutsu to escape and take a rest

- Jiraya and Itachi have the same amount of stats in the data book(author hint)

- Kishi creates an arc for them dying at the same time

- Jiraya possess SM(only sannin who managed) when Itachi possess MS and both have been portrayed as counter parts(Madara-Hashirama, Naruti-Sasuke, Kabuto-Sasuke/Itachi), so Itachi and Jiraya as well

- Both are still hyped even beyond death with Jubito even stating Jiraya defeated him(non objective but still).

- The strongest in Akatsuki stated he would have died if he knew his secret when the real leader stated something similar
Its clear for me that Kishi always wanted them to be equal at the very least

The only problem with that argument is that Itachi stated only someone with my blood can defeat me when fighting against Kakashi.

It looked as though to me he was referring to jiriaya ...

It seems a bit weird kisame would be shitting his pants against a 12 year old kid that cant even control his bijuu powers but has the balls to go up against bee...

The first time they mention Jiraiya in that passage is when they refer to him being the baby sitter of Naruto+Kurama. Meaning the previous text has been mentioning Naruto + Kurama. Although they aren't afraid of Naruto himself but the fox inside.

 

[Sir Blades]

No. Itachi was clearly referring to Naruto and the Kyuubi.



isame: Even if you might be able to take him on, I'm not so sure about me. He's in a diferent league.

Itachi: Yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least, we'd hurt each other badly...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome.

Kisame: It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop but his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. With him as our enemy even the titles of konoha's uchiha clan and seven ninja swordsmen of the mist pale in comparison.

It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop but HIS baby sitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend. This statement demonstrates that they have been referring to Naruto and Kurama the whole time.

That is complete bs, naruto wouldn't be able to unleash kurama to the point where he would wreck Kiz and Itachi. Itachi isn't stupid enough to actually think that bro. And that translation is nothing like that in the Japanese manga, in the original context of the manga they were talking about Jiraiya and only pointed out Naruto with that sentence you just posted about Kizame and itachi finding Naruto in the ramen shop. We should blame the translators for that.