Suiton FTG

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

What is the general consensus on FTG Suiton - what is essentially probable fan-fiction?
I think the following scan is possibly significant in some way in the sense that if Suiton FTG existed it'd work in tandem with Tobirama's long-range FTG capabilities.

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I also wonder if the fact that Minato teleporting something not connected to his person is associated with "if anything touches my chakra or myself I can teleport it" then surely it should be the same for Tobirama.

As you see here:

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Minato was able to teleport Naruto and Sasuke when Naruto's Chakra was the medium, not Minato's, yet Sasuke still associates it with that statement. (Notice this was before Naruto and Minato aligned their Chakra and that Minato chose not to teleport Obito.).

I think that with the above in mind it's possible to transpose the idea to Tobirama's feat of teleporting both Enma and Naruto without touching them:

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Nothing is confirmed, of course.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yeah but minato also had to teleport the medium. Tobirama cant be teleporting pools of water around!

 

[Europa]

Sort of thought Kishi would make use of that. Mixing his attack styles together, using a large suiton on the battlefield and then FTG'ing an opponent near him to strike down. It would make Tobirama's move set quite fluid.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

If you guys think about it; it would give Tobirama ultimate leeway in a Taijutsu fight. Tobirama's long range FTG capabilities would allow him to move his opponents anywhere he wanted on said hypothetical pool of Water and act accordingly. Most opponents wouldn't be able to compete with that.

Plus he wouldn't need to teleport whole pools of water, just what his opponent is standing on.

 

[Sir Blades]

Interesting analysis.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I dont think water would work. Normally when word chakra is used it means raw chakra not ninjutsu one. Water is ninjutsu, its a raw chakra transformed into nature type.

A raw chakra of one user is an extension of himself, hence why minato words make sense to either "i" or "my chakra" any ninjutsu chakra wouldnt cut it except maybe shadow clones.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I dont think water would work. Normally when word chakra is used it means raw chakra not ninjutsu one. Water is ninjutsu, its a raw chakra transformed into nature type.

A raw chakra of one user is an extension of himself, hence why minato words make sense to either "i" or "my chakra" any ninjutsu chakra wouldnt cut it except maybe shadow clones.

Not necessarily; Samehada's often used in context of absorbing chakra, yet it's always Ninjutsu he absorbs.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Taijutsu in itself is suicide against Tobirama. One touch and you're finished. Though this would be a great.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Sort of thought Kishi would make use of that. Mixing his attack styles together, using a large suiton on the battlefield and then FTG'ing an opponent near him to strike down. It would make Tobirama's move set quite fluid.

dun dun tiss

OT: It would be pretty cool if he could FTG through the water vapors through the air, he could travel so far so fast if he could do that, but he'd probably need a body like Suigetsu to do that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Not necessarily; Samehada's often used in context of absorbing chakra, yet it's always Ninjutsu he absorbs.

So does preta path. In both cases some mechanic used to convert ninjutsu, raw chakra and even senjutsu to stamina.
Mokuton however cannot absorb ninjutsu.

But ninjutsu chakra doesnt contain one's consciousness. Raw chakra is different cuz its a small replica of one self. Rinnegan users can use techniques via rods, minato and kushina were able to do their skills in naruto mind, itachi's chakra made that ama shot at obito, bijus in jubbi and naruto. Its all result of raw chakra.

Basically what minato's raw chakra touches makes it touch minato by default, and it minato that performs FTG.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

So does preta path. In both cases some mechanic used to convert ninjutsu, raw chakra and even senjutsu to stamina.
Mokuton however cannot absorb ninjutsu.

But ninjutsu chakra doesnt contain one's consciousness. Raw chakra is different cuz its a small replica of one self. Rinnegan users can use techniques via rods, minato and kushina were able to do their skills in naruto mind, itachi's chakra made that ama shot at obito, bijus in jubbi and naruto. Its all result of raw chakra.

I don't get the relevance of most of what you've said; wether or not the consciousness is transferred or not is irrelivent (which is not what happens, otherwise Sakura'd be transferring her memories every time she healed someone.)

More on that actually; Sakura's medical ninjutsu is essentially just her pouring chakra into cells to stimulate regeneration. In the end it's all still chakra.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I don't get the relevance of most of what you've said; wether or not the consciousness is transferred or not is irrelivent (which is not what happens, otherwise Sakura'd be transferring her memories every time she healed someone.)
More on that actually; Sakura's medical ninjutsu is essentially just her pouring chakra into cells to stimulate regeneration. In the end it's all still chakra.

Im saying that ninjutsu chakra does not represent the chakra of the user any longer. A raw kurama chakra shared amoung fodders retains kurama's traits, a TBB cannot turn into small bijuu its no longer chakra of the user as it is of different shape and proportion and state (ninjutsu).
Chakra pouring into cells is one thing, it has to be poured into tenketsu or chakra pathways.
In case of tobirama's suiton, its no longer his chakra, its a product of his chakra, hence i dont think it will work

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I could understand this in the case of him using elemental ninjutsu in conjunction with ftg but once the said jutsu ends so does his link. Since his chakra no longer has control of said water he can't ftg u. And to add to that using elemental ninjutsu as the medium doesn't mark the opponent.

So at best it's only good for 1 shot. And it's completely dependant on if said water ninjutsu lands.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Im saying that ninjutsu chakra does not represent the chakra of the user any longer. A raw kurama chakra shared amoung fodders retains kurama's traits, a TBB cannot turn into small bijuu its no longer chakra of the user as it is of different shape and proportion and state (ninjutsu).
Chakra pouring into cells is one thing, it has to be poured into tenketsu or chakra pathways.
In case of tobirama's suiton, its no longer his chakra, its a product of his chakra, hence i dont think it will work

I don't quite understand how it's suddenly not his chakra just because it's left his body.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Random Question:

Can Tobirama mark his own Shadow Clones?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don't quite understand how it's suddenly not his chakra just because it's left his body.

Product of chakra=/= chakra.

I.e u can't petra path a shinra tensai even though the shift in gravity is a result of his chakra.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Product of chakra=/= chakra.

I.e u can't petra path a shinra tensai even though the shift in gravity is a result of his chakra.

That's not entirely relevant; not to mention a stupid thing to use to compare.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That's not entirely relevant; not to mention a stupid thing to use to compare.

That's what he means though. The product of mending ones chakra in a specific way won't always contain chakra.

 

[Touken]

Random Question:

Can Tobirama mark his own Shadow Clones?

Yah.

Product of chakra=/= chakra.

I.e u can't petra path a shinra tensai even though the shift in gravity is a result of his chakra.

Quite true but Nagato can still use Preta Path to absorb Tobirama's Suiton even though he's no longer spitting it out, which means it still contains Tobirama's chakra. If it was just water and had no chakra in it then Nagato wouldn't be able to absorb it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yah.

Quite true but Nagato can still use Preta Path to absorb Tobirama's Suiton even though he's no longer spitting it out, which means it still contains Tobirama's chakra. If it was just water and had no chakra in it then Nagato wouldn't be able to absorb it.

I know. I already said that in my first post. I was just trying to explain to him what I thought he meant.