[Discussion] Coby will not get the mera mera no mi

[Hijey]

I would much rather prefer if Garp is the one who asks his disciple to eat his grandsons devil fruit than the other way around.

 

[Hexuze]

You mean that killing Ace is a lot better than:
-Committing the biggest crime on a Pirate ship (polar opposite to what Luffy would do)
-Showing that he is interested in Luffy All the way back 500 chapters ago! (A final villain is often introduced at an early stage. Sakazuki was introduced much later)
-Being the cause of the Marineford arc
-He and his crew killing Whitebeard
-Posessing the most evil DF power
-Posing the bigger threat on a global scale
Yep... "of course".

He's also been chosen by many fans as the man they want to kill more characters with ie Rayleigh, Shanks and Garp as some examples of characters expected to die before Luffy becomes the Pirate King.

"Posing the bigger threat on a global scale", lol just tell me what version of OP you're reading. The World Government is already established as the bigger threat on a global scale. I think you mean to Luffy's goal atm. And no, BB wasn't interested in Luffy until the meet up at Impel Down.

He seems to despise them equally as of now.

Nope, all he said is that he won't let him have Ace's DF, which isn't as big being on the verge of death from Akainu's attack. Luffy has never been so close to approaching death from an attack from BB. Despite the 2 year TS, that scar still aches Luffy. Zoro received his scar by Mihawk too, who is expected to be his final fight. Unless Shilliew gets Jozu's fruit but let's leave that out of the picture cause there's no point in arguing about that. Those scars on both Zoro's and Luffy's chests are indicators of final fights, Oda doesn't just leave it their for the sh*ts and giggles. Oda is known for his foreshadowing too.

I see Coby being fleet Admiral by that point. As I believe he will be the one beating Sakazuki to a bloody pulp and not Luffy.

Possibly... Smoker and Coby protecting the new marine's HQ from BB seems more probable. Similarly to how Sengoku and Garp protected MF from Shiki.

Akainu won't be able to. EOS Luffy will be too strong for one Admiral tier alone to fight.

Akainu can easily capture Bonney to convert him back to the age where he's at his prime. Whether Akainu reached his prime or not is still unknown but I imagine he's getting there closely.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

"Posing the bigger threat on a global scale", lol just tell me what version of OP you're reading. The World Government is already established as the bigger threat on a global scale. I think you mean to Luffy's goal atm. And no, BB wasn't interested in Luffy until the meet up at Impel Down.

The real version of OP. Not some crappy fanfic like you are reading. The WG is not Sakazuki. Sakazuki is a pawn of theirs. The 4 Yonkou have just as big an influence as the entire WG put together.

Didn't BB chase down Luffy when he saw his Bounty? That clearly meant he piqued Blackbeards interest. You're simply in denial.

Nope, all he said is that he won't let him have Ace's DF, which isn't as big being on the verge of death from Akainu's attack. Luffy has never been so close to approaching death from an attack from BB. Despite the 2 year TS, that scar still aches Luffy. Zoro received his scar by Mihawk too, who is expected to be his final fight. Unless Shilliew gets Jozu's fruit but let's leave that out of the picture cause there's no point in arguing about that. Those scars on both Zoro's and Luffy's chests are indicators of final fights, Oda doesn't just leave it their for the sh*ts and giggles. Oda is known for his foreshadowing too.

Blackbeard hasn't attacked Luffy, that would explain your point. Until both characters attack; that point is irrelevant. Shilliew will either have Jozu's fruit or no fruit at all; either way the BBP's are the final antagonists. What about the Monkey that cut Zoro's eye? Where does the Monkey come into all this? Is Shanks final battle against that Sea monster?

Possibly... Smoker and Coby protecting the new marine's HQ from BB seems more probable. Similarly to how Sengoku and Garp protected MF from Shiki.

BB does not mirror Shiki in ANY WAY. Kidd mirrors Shiki so I can see Coby and Smoker fighting Kidd at the Marine HQ.

Akainu can easily capture Bonney to convert him back to the age where he's at his prime. Whether Akainu reached his prime or not is still unknown but I imagine he's getting there closely.

Or Bonney can simply escape like last time? She can't be forced to do anything too be fair as she's a stubborn gal. So is a persons prime in their 50's or in their 20's to 30's? Look at any participant of an impact sport or invasion game. Almost all seem to retire by age 38... FYI Sakazuki is 55

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Sabo or Coby getting the mere mera fruit are both very good possibilities if u ask me.
Case for Coby:
1. Flame is usually yellow and red and when mixed thats orange so orange can easily represent fire seeing as unlyk avatar and other works with elemental tropes Oda's red=Magma, and following Oda's admiral naming scheme that has momotaro's legend and the colour wheel we are gonna need orange(something)
2.MMnM is an top notch df that wld bolster Coby to a level that wld make him a good fight for anyone and already with a haki base he will b sure OP.
3. Mera v Magu round II- wld b great to have Coby stand up agnaist Akainu a second tym a d Akainu goes lyk "this tym no one will save kozo" then Coby is lyk "well this tym u are gonna need saving".
Case for Sabo
1. Inheriting Ace's will- I think Luffy wld easily agree and b happy with Sabo getting the fruit(not saying he wld b angry if its Coby but family is family u know)
2. round II Mera vs Magu- okay u got me this is the whole reason I want someone to eat that fruit coz that burning him thing wasn't grand with me. Akainu needs to get done in and I think Sabo avenging Ace wld b lyk paying his debt to his brother and a way for him to clear his concience as he seems to holds it on himself why Acr died.
Cons
Sabo:Kinda wanted each bro to b strong with a power that defines them as an individual, thought it wld b cool for Sabo to b a mythical Zoan.
Coby: the one I have is not of why its bad for him to eat it, its more how he will get it coz he hasnt shown in this arc but who knows Fuji cld call for back up once the Riku force takes to the streets and Captain Coby shows up.

Epitasis
Both wld b grt choices but I think Sabo66%-33%Coby-1%Oda surprise.

 

[Fireplay]

What about the Monkey that cut Zoro's eye? Where does the Monkey come into all this?

Pretty sure it wasn't confirmed wether it was a monkey or Mihawk who did that. Plus Zoro has a scar on his chest that Mihawk inflicted.

Is Shanks final battle against that Sea monster?

No but it will be against BB (the one who put 3 scars on to his eye) and Shanks will rape him...

Spoiler

in actuality BB will win and kill Shanks but i refuse to believe so because i am a Shanks fanboy

Can't decide which the final fight should be Luffy vs Akainu or Luffy vs BB. Anyways, not taking part in this discussion just felt like something had to be correcter.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Pretty sure it wasn't confirmed wether it was a monkey or Mihawk who did that. Plus Zoro has a scar on his chest that Mihawk inflicted.



No but it will be against BB (the one who put 3 scars on to his eye) and Shanks will rape him...

Spoiler

in actuality BB will win and kill Shanks but i refuse to believe so because i am a Shanks fanboy

Can't decide which the final fight should be Luffy vs Akainu or Luffy vs BB. Anyways, not taking part in this discussion just felt like something had to be correcter.

So what logic do you follow? Think of it this way:
You said Shanks vs BB yet BB inflicted the smaller wound
Yet you say Zoro vs Mihawk when Mihawk inflicted the bigger wound
Make your mind up and don't follow two logics at once.

 

[AlicexX]

Actually read the posts... I said Blackbeard, not Coby.

My bad. I read wrong, but either of them have a shot to be Luffy's EoS opponent. It's laughable that anyone would say that Sakazuki is 'too weak' though. This man held his own against WB.

Coby can still attain the fruit. Isshou may be told (by Doflamingo or Sakazuki) to take the Mera Mera no Mi away from the Strawhats. He could solo the Colosseum easily (even with Sabo there). And can take the MMnM to Marine HQ. There out of respect Garp will get the choice of what will Happen to the Mera Mera no Mi (as he is Ace's grandfather afterall). Coby jumps at every opportunity he gets, so of course he will beg and plead and probably convince Garp to allow him to eat the fruit in order to become stronger to reach his goal. PLUS:

Plausible but unlikely. There's a reason that Doffy used the MMnM as bait for Luffy in the first place. He will be taken down before the fruit is won or during. Either way it'll be in Sabo's hands. What time does Doffy have to tell Fuji to take the fruit away from the SHs (who aren't even involved in the tourney anymore)? Let's also not forget that Fuji is at the palace with Doffy anyway.

As I said, Coby has way too much respect towards Luffy to just eat it and I can't see him pleading to do so either. He's established himself as a Marine Captain using his current fighting prowess. If he were meant to have a DF he'd have had one before. He'll likely be a brawler with Haki. Also, who's to say that Garp wouldn't keep the fruit as a keepsake? I also don't see where it says that there will be a "next Admral" in this generation either, let alone his colr being orange. There are already three Admirals. EoS could be a whole other ball game meaning that there's a possibility that there will be a whole new three Admirals by the time Coby becomes one.

The next admiral will be Orange, MMnM resembles this colour, he would also be very difficult for Luffy to fight as he will remind Luffy of Ace, regardless of the power gap between the two.

Responded to most of this above. I take it that you're one of those people that think that Coby will be on Luffy's level by EoS?

 

[Fireplay]

So what logic do you follow? Think of it this way:
You said Shanks vs BB yet BB inflicted the smaller wound
Yet you say Zoro vs Mihawk when Mihawk inflicted the bigger wound
Make your mind up and don't follow two logics at once.

I'm not following any logic. All i'm saying is that predicting the final fight via scars doesn't work. At this point it's nearly impossible to predict wether the final fight will be Luffy vs BB or Akainu so you shouldn't act like your prediction is 100% guaranteed to happen. Taking into account that the mangaka we're dealing with here is Oda.

There are many possibilities like...

Luffy vs BB: Luffy will win and become PK then unite with Dragon and go to the final war where he'll face Akainu.
Kuzan vs Akainu: They'll have their rematch in the final war and this time Aokiji will win and become the new fleet admiral
Sabo vs Akainu: Sabo will eat Ace's fruit and during the final war he'll take his revenge on Akainu. A rematch of fire vs magma.
Coby vs Akainu (you already stated this so i'll skip the writing)

All i'm saying is scars can't be used to predict the final fight.

 

[TheHokage]

I find it hard to believe people really think Luffy won't fight Akainu I mean seriously the fight has to happen and to those who think it will be Coby why it makes no sense just because he has a different sense of justice? So does Smoker and Aokiji and most likely dozens of other marines.

Luffy should be the one to take out Akainu like seriously Akainu hunted Luffy down to the point he didn't even care if MF was destroyed, he killed Ace right in front of Luffy, he inflicted that massive scar on Luffy's chest and he's the only character that's been able to break Luffy's spirit. In fact Luffy has shown to be angry just at the sound of Akainu's name.

Luffy should be the only one to beat Akainu not only does it make much more sense as Luffy will also be gaining revenge for Ace.

Both Akainu and Blackbeard are major enemies for Luffy and I can see Luffy fighting both of them in quite a short time span.

Now by all means if Luffy defeats Akainu in a fight and then later on Coby beats him then that wouldn't be so bad I suppose but honestly Coby is just a bad character his constant increase in strength are BS personally I like to see characters actually go through development while being shown not the whole off-screen training. Until Coby starts partaking in the New World arcs or fighting the major enemies in the New World (like Smoker) his character will always be a boring Gary-sue.

Now even with the above statement it doesn't change the fact I think Coby will become an admiral I mean how could I deny it, it's clear Oda wants Coby to be an Admiral I just hope Oda has him be like an Admiral for the next generation since no matter how much off-screen training or 'character development' he gains I'm always going to see that fat chubby pink haired kid that constantly just cried.

 

[BigBlade Master]

U didn't know???????

 

[Hijey]

It's laughable that anyone would say that Sakazuki is 'too weak' though. This man held his own against WB.

There's nothing laughable about it. Everyone were weaker than WB who was long past his prime cause of age and illness. Luffy will at the very least be as strong as prime WB/Roger and the only villian who has a good shot at reaching that strength would be Blackbeard. Akainu will slowly be losing by the time Luffy reaches his prime.

 

[AlicexX]

There's nothing laughable about it. Everyone were weaker than WB who was long past his prime cause of age and illness. Luffy will at the very least be as strong as prime WB/Roger and the only villian who has a good shot at reaching that strength would be Blackbeard. Akainu will slowly be losing by the time Luffy reaches his prime.

Actually, everything about calling him 'too weak' is laughable.
WB's condition speaks lengths about how he was at his prime. There is no evidence supporting Sakazuki reaching his prime before EoS as different people have different growth rates. It simply makes no sense to count Sakazuki out as an option. He already has the necessary hype and portrayal.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

My bad. I read wrong, but either of them have a shot to be Luffy's EoS opponent. It's laughable that anyone would say that Sakazuki is 'too weak' though. This man held his own against WB.

I don't think Sakazuki has a chance since a Marine Admiral can't push God Tiers beyond Mid diff in a battle. The FV would have to be an opponent like Lucci ; Extreme "brink of death" diff. That would be EOS Blackbeard. Did you notice how Whitebeard was in his 70's; diseased and dying before they even fought and yet Sakazuki still lost. Now think of EOS Luffy, Law etc. as being stronger than Old Whitebeard (while not dying...)

Plausible but unlikely. There's a reason that Doffy used the MMnM as bait for Luffy in the first place. He will be taken down before the fruit is won or during. Either way it'll be in Sabo's hands. What time does Doffy have to tell Fuji to take the fruit away from the SHs (who aren't even involved in the tourney anymore)? Let's also not forget that Fuji is at the palace with Doffy anyway.

How does Doflamingo's reason for using the Mera Mera no Mi affect who's hands it will end up in? It's down to what happens in the Colosseum and what CP0 or Isshou do and the actions they take. Since Isshou is with Doflamingo he could order him to do it right now. CP0 can take the fruit, Sakazuki can order Isshou to take the fruit, Doflamingo may suspect someone else being strong enough to win the fruit for Luffy. So he can still order Isshou to snag it before it is won.

As I said, Coby has way too much respect towards Luffy to just eat it and I can't see him pleading to do so either.

Luffy would be fine with Coby eating it. He values his nakama more than the fruit (as stated in the recent chapter); Coby is technically a Nakama like Vivi or Iceburg. He said he won't let "just anyone" have the fruit. Coby isn't "just anyone" to Luffy. He's Luffy's first friend he met on the seas.

He's established himself as a Marine Captain using his current fighting prowess. If he were meant to have a DF he'd have had one before.

DF's are rare. You seem to imply all Captains and above have Devil Fruits or are given Devil Fruits... Which is wrong:
Momonga,Vergo,Stainless,Doberman,Strawberry and Yamakiji (to name only a handful) are Vice Admirals without Devil Fruits.

He'll likely be a brawler with Haki. Also, who's to say that Garp wouldn't keep the fruit as a keepsake?

Garp and Coby have the same "code of justice" - so if Garp gives it to anyone it will be either Coby or Dadan.

I also don't see where it says that there will be a "next Admral" in this generation either, let alone his colr being orange. There are already three Admirals. EoS could be a whole other ball game meaning that there's a possibility that there will be a whole new three Admirals by the time Coby becomes one.

Are you saying once there is a vacancy in the rank of Admiral (i.e. When Kizaru retires ; he's 64 right now. The retirement age in Japan and most first world countries is 65.) that nobody will replace that retired man. A lack of Admirals greatly diminishes the Marine strength and organization and coordination.

It's no mere coincidence that Blue,Red and Yellow are primary colours (the Admiral colours of the Primary half of the series). And it's also no coincidence that Green and Purple are secondary colours (Isshou and Green Bulls colours in the Secondary half of the series). The other secondary colour is Orange. Since Borsalinos retirement is so close it's only logical that Coby (to become an Admiral) needs to have a big time powerup in order to get closer. (Coby eating the Mera Mera no Mi would bring him up to say... Sanji's level.); he would be strong enough to be a higher tier Vice Admiral.

Responded to most of this above. I take it that you're one of those people that think that Coby will be on Luffy's level by EoS?

No. Coby will be admiral tier. Luffy will be God tier. COMPLETELY different.

 

[crono0929]

Coby wont get it unless luffy or sabo decide to give it to him, and he won't take it by force or he will get WRECKED.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Coby wont get it unless luffy or sabo decide to give it to him, and he won't take it by force or he will get WRECKED.

Read my post ^^ It should explain a lot.

 

[Hijey]

Actually, everything about calling him 'too weak' is laughable.
WB's condition speaks lengths about how he was at his prime. There is no evidence supporting Sakazuki reaching his prime before EoS as different people have different growth rates. It simply makes no sense to count Sakazuki out as an option. He already has the necessary hype and portrayal.

There was a gap between prime WB, WSM WB and Akainu. Luffy is at the very least going to be at WB's prime strength, so yes compared to that Akainu would be too weak for a final opponent for Luffy. Unless Oda makes it so that Luffy's injuries from fighting BB don't heal in time with his fight against Akainu, which is very unlikely because that's something he never does with Luffy but with Zoro. People usually reach their primes in their forties or early fifties, which is what Akainu were at pre timeskip. He is from the past generation and is nearing his sixties and on top of that is unable to be as active as he used to be in the field because of his new rank.

 

[crono0929]

Read my post ^^ It should explain a lot.

Oops i skipped it!

I read it, but i still think that coby wont get it, i know he is luffys friend and all, but why would luffy put the mera on the hands of a marine, the marines killed ace in the first place.

Sabo and even the whitebeard(Phoenix) pirates would hate luffy if he lets the marines inherit ace's will.

 

[Itachi Minato 🥈]

I honestly dont mind who gets it out of wither Sabo or Coby however I think it would be good to have each of the three brothers have a different type of DF. Luffy has paramecia, Ace logia and Sabo zoan or mythical zoan. Mythical zoan would be cooler tho. I dont mind if either of them gets it. The annoying thing is it makes sense for either of them to get it which is why it is interesting to see who will

 

[Frikid]

i dont want coby to carry on ace's will.
And i would prefer sabo having it over coby.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You will all eat your words soon enough.