Madara is better than Hashirama

[RikudoKami]

So far he his right now. Keeping in mind in their last fight at the VoTe they were practically even until Hashirama pulled it out at the end thanks to Madara dropping his EMS and not realizing the Wood Clone; and that was a Madara with just EMS

This Madara now, not only has the ability to utilize Wood Release as well, but also has the all-ppwerfull Rinnegan as well. Madara's got a major power boost

So if hey were practically even before Hashirama >= EMS Madara
Now Rinnegan/Wood Realease/EMS Madara > Hasirama

Alas these words fall on deaf ears my friend.

 

[RikudoKami]

You mean the Hashirama that fought the Ten Tails and Obito for a while then beat up Madara?

Hashirama was a non-factor in the Obito fight. He was fighting Madara the entire time, this shows you Madara is better. He out classed him, why can't you morons understand that?

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Can't they sense that Obito is defeated ?
Idk about Hashirama , but Madara clearly portrayed the he is a sensor ( when he sensed Hashi's chakra in the scan 628 )


Actually i have , after Obito nuked the place ,Madara lost his PS and Hashirama lost his Mokujin.
After that we see them going at each other with simple taijutsu.

That contradict your all out nonsense.

It is not stupid , its logical , its just that you are too butthurt to admit it.
Madara tried gaining SM , noticed that Obito is defeated ( thanks to his sensing ability ) and choose to fake his loss so that they don't kill Obito.

And why he needed to act that way ?
simple , watch what happened the first time he tried to use Obito : Sasuke and Minato were going to kill Obito and Minato even slashed him.
So it make sense that he have to fake his loss.

I have manga facts and reasonable and logical thinking by my side unlike you who have biased thinking.

I didn't change anything , simply deduced logical thinking from facts.


All what you said in your last paragraph summarize your reasoning , in short you gave advice to yourself because you are the wrong one.

I know that you wont accept it because your the typical hater who don't admit when he is wrong.

Actually Madara never said he faked his loss. Hashirama beat him. Plain and simple.

 

[Flawž]

Not even close.

hashirama isn't even at full power and he still immobilized madara who had to resort to using an external source to free himself. otherwise he would of been stuck there.

hashirama isn't at full power.

madara is beyond his prime.

Madara has no couter to Shinsuusenju. GG

 

[TheSages456]

Can't they sense that Obito is defeated ?
Idk about Hashirama , but Madara clearly portrayed the he is a sensor ( when he sensed Hashi's chakra in the scan 628 )

its never stated that they sensed obitos defeat so nope, they didnt. they only showed knowledge of obitos defeat after the alliance started coming over to their location.

Actually i have , after Obito nuked the place ,Madara lost his PS and Hashirama lost his Mokujin.
After that we see them going at each other with simple taijutsu.

That contradict your all out nonsense.

this doesnt contradict them going all out. all that means is that madara didnt use PS and hashirama didnt use the mokujin. they didnt go at each other with simple taijutsu.

hashirama was shown to use mokuton and it was stated that madara used his rinnegan.

It is not stupid , its logical , its just that you are too butthurt to admit it.
Madara tried gaining SM , noticed that Obito is defeated ( thanks to his sensing ability ) and choose to fake his loss so that they don't kill Obito.

this isnt stated.

And why he needed to act that way ?
simple , watch what happened the first time he tried to use Obito : Sasuke and Minato were going to kill Obito and Minato even slashed him.
So it make sense that he have to fake his loss.

this makes sense to you, but this isnt stated in the manga.

I have manga facts and reasonable and logical thinking by my side unlike you who have biased thinking.

its not stated that madara intentionally lost. its not stated that madara sensed obitos defeat either, so how are your arguments supported by the manga? you might need to switch up your arguments because this is just pathetic.

I didn't change anything , simply deduced logical thinking from facts.

none of your "logical conclusions" are even hinted at or stated to be true. this is purely what you think is logical which is complete nonsense. stick to actual panel and nothing else.

All what you said in your last paragraph summarize your reasoning , in short you gave advice to yourself because you are the wrong one.

I know that you wont accept it because your the typical hater who don't admit when he is wrong.

you're extrapolating panel, which leads to speculation, which is an automatic loss in debates.
im using panels as presented.
was it stated that madara loss intentionally? nope, so he didnt.
was it stated that madara sensed that obito lost? nope, so he didnt.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Actually it does mean the fight is over, since it is no more 1 vs 1.. and that Madara got all his chakra back that had been taken away by Hashirama and used by him.. Yea but the only thing is Madara's counterattack wasn't for the fight.. it was for the war.


No fight between Hashirama VS Madara would be Hashirama being alive at his full power.. considering the fact he wasn't even revived at full power. . With your logic you would be saying Hiruzen beat Hashirama and Tobirama.. when the reality is he didn't.

Madara is about to do a counter attack for the war thanks to Naruto.


If you believe a fight between a weakened Hashirama with rods stabbed in his back vs a full powered Madara would prove who is stronger .. than i believe you are mistaken. my friend (not trying to be rude or anything).

Hmm....I was wondering wether or not to reply, I had an entire thought, thought out to give my thoughts on what you wrote. Then decided why am I squabbling....? Not saying you are squabbling, I'm the ONLY one that squabbles lol. Not saying you aren't worth it, you are... everyone is important enough....but we just believe and see differently. Normally I would have replied without hesitation, but I cannot deny that I have acquired a soft spot for you. I very much value our friendship and I'm a lot more subtle when we interact. There are a few I feel the same towards, you.....you lucky bastard you! >_O You just happen to be on my RikudouMadaras soft spot list. All jokes aside King I really respect you and in that I'll agree to disagree..... ^_^

 

[Flawž]

Madara has no counter for Shinsuusenju. End of Debate.

 

[Aya San]

Madara has no counter for Shinsuusenju. End of Debate.

He can phase through it.

 

[TheSages456]

He can phase through it.

just like he phased through hashiramas mokuton dragon?

 

[Flawž]

He can phase through it.

Lol really cheeks?

Madara has no counter for shinsuusenju.

Im afraid as soon as it's out, game over.

 

[Supreme x Uchiha]

Lol really cheeks?

Madara has no counter for shinsuusenju.

Im afraid as soon as it's out, game over.

You overrate it, And we've discussed this already.

 

[Flawž]

You overrate it, And we've discussed this already.

I dont see a counter.

 

[Aya San]

Lol really cheeks?

Madara has no counter for shinsuusenju.

Im afraid as soon as it's out, game over.

I don't know, they've shown him phasing through wood I don't know why it wouldn't work this time.

 

[Flawž]

I don't know, they've shown him phasing through wood I don't know why it wouldn't work this time.

whats phasing going to do? Shinsuusenju will still be there when he gets back up.

 

[Aya San]

whats phasing going to do? Shinsuusenju will still be there when he gets back up.

Huh? I never said it's going to destroy it, phasing basically means evading and helping him get to Hashirama

 

[Stark]

Haters gon hate

 

[Xāvî1]

You're gonna draw alot of flame but I'm sure you know how easy it is to bait NB.

Anyways, I think you have a point but I just want to mention a couple of things: It's obvious Madara wasn't fighting to win against Hashirama right now, his goal was to become alive, and he said he needed Hashirama's SM powers. I believe Madara did exactly that, he impaled Hashirama with his rods, drained some of his SM powers and used it to give him a bigger advantage of taking Obito's will over. When Hashirama is talking about the Wood Dragon and says "it'll negate the ninjutsu you're using to drain all that chakra" he's referringto the chakra rods and the transfer of Hashi's SM chakra to Madara. So if anything, Madara had the advantage in this fight. Hashirama fans really shouldn't use 656 as an alibi for saying Hashirama is better.


I don't think Madara tanked RS. The zoom in into the Rinnegan on that scan leads me to believe he used Deva's powers to nerf the RS a little bit so that it wouldn't effect him.

I second this.......

 

[Ahmed1993]

its never stated that they sensed obitos defeat so nope, they didnt. they only showed knowledge of obitos defeat after the alliance started coming over to their location.


this doesnt contradict them going all out. all that means is that madara didnt use PS and hashirama didnt use the mokujin. they didnt go at each other with simple taijutsu.

hashirama was shown to use mokuton and it was stated that madara used his rinnegan.


this isnt stated.


this makes sense to you, but this isnt stated in the manga.

its not stated that madara intentionally lost. its not stated that madara sensed obitos defeat either, so how are your arguments supported by the manga? you might need to switch up your arguments because this is just pathetic.

none of your "logical conclusions" are even hinted at or stated to be true. this is purely what you think is logical which is complete nonsense. stick to actual panel and nothing else.



you're extrapolating panel, which leads to speculation, which is an automatic loss in debates.
im using panels as presented.
was it stated that madara loss intentionally? nope, so he didnt.
was it stated that madara sensed that obito lost? nope, so he didnt.

Kishi won't show you everything , you have to use your brain for something logical like this.

Last time we saw them , Madara was using the rod and Hashirama dodging.
Enough said.

From Madara's words its logical : " I need to hold you for a moment " " I need to use my trump card before Obito notice it "
Its more than logical , you just won't believe it because you're butthurt and that's it.

That make sense to all logical unbiased people unlike you fanboy.

I didn't invent anything , i concluded my arguments from Madara's words (that i stated above ) and feats ( sensor ).
who are manga facts.

Answered above.


Answered above.


And this third reply further proved to me that you're the typical hater ( biased thinking etc.. )

Debating with you will lead to nothing ,I won't reply anymore , ciao.

 

[AGoodBoy]

well , you wanna slice it, am gonna sieze that knife from you, cuz hashi didn't even use shisusenju to defeat edo madara

It didn't defeat alive madara, how would it defeat edo? Lel...

 

[xcoyote]

Yeah,he is rocking Hashirama's DNA like a champ.