[Deductions] Why Hiashi Hyuuga > Itachi Uchiha

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This is the same Itachi that fought Sasuke

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Countering Itachi's Non-Mangekyou Ninjutsu:

Itachi's main arsenal of Ninjutsu comprises of Katon and Exploding Clones. Which frankly, as I explain multiple times later in the thread, Rotation blocks these attacks.

Exploding Clones themselfs won't amount to much as a doujutsu was already able to see through them.

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Even if they manage to close in on Hiashi, Kaiten saves him.

Now, It may be hard for Hiashi to keep up with Itachi's hand seals so that he can counter his Katon's, but the Byakugan is also capable of tracking high speed movement and seeing Itachi knead chakra, making the speed at which he can release the Katon useless.

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Countering Itachi's Taijutsu/Weapons:

First of all, the Hyuuga are know for being the strongest Taijutsu users in the Leaf. The Databook also gives Hiashi a 5 in Taijutsu while Itachi only has a 4.5

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Itachi in terms of skill, will be sorely outmatched here. Whenever Itachi may have though he would have landed a blow, and . Leaving Itachi and open for the follow up ( )( ).

Any weapons are hard countered by Rotation and can even . Even Itachi's skill in attacking in multiple directions and angles are rendered useless by the Bykaugan

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Countering Itachi's Genjutsu:

Countering Ocular Genjutsu is actually very simple for Hyuuga's.

They Byakugan gives them . To completely nullify the chances of Genjutsu, all a Hyuuga must do is close there eyes! The Byakugan will give them sight through their eyelids while negating the chances of eye-contact!



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Countering Mangekyou Jutsu's:

Since Itachi's base arsenal won't cut it against a Hyuuga of Hiashi's level, eventually he will be forced to use the Kaleidoscope Copy Wheel Eye.

Due to his failing healthy and low stamina, Itachi perfers to fight without the use of these techs. We can even deduce how many times he can use the Mangekyou before his body fails him.

Tsukiyomi; 1 Use ( )
Amaterasu; 2 Uses ( )( )
Susano'O; A short time of use ( )

From the above, we now know that Itachi can consistantly use the Mangekyou or many times in the same fight. It doesn't help that Tsukiyomi is already countered by a ability that costs no chakra or stamina to implement, but Hiashi still has counters for Amaterasu and Susano'O.

Amaterasu:

The Bykaugan has the ability to see chakra, the instance that proves this also shows that it can see when chakra is being directed to the eye and a Jutsu is being used!

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with this knowledge, Hiashi can deduce when Itachi is going to use Amaterasu (Or Sharingan Genjutsu/Tsukiyomi for that matter)!

From there when the Jutsu is released, Hiashi can use the mechanics of Rotation to block the attack! When Hiashi sees Itachi pouring massive amounts of chakra into his eye and preps amaterasu, Hiashi can pour out of his Chakra points to stop the flame.

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Then finish the Jutsu to deflect it!

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Susano'O:

While Hiashi has no direct ways to break Susano'O, he has ways to wait it out and the intel feeding Byakugan to know to do it.

Given that Byakugan allows the user to see the targets chakra as proven previous, Hiashi will know that Itachi doesn't have large reserves of chakra. While countering Amaterasu and once Ssuano'O comes out, he will see the huge chunks of chakra coming out of Itachi's low stamina and will know that its best to allow Itachi to seal his own fate!

The only thing Hiashi needs do when Susano'O comes out is to Air Wall Palm to keep it at bay until Itachi runs out of chakra, I even found one in a calc that shows the direct comparison between the two!

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yeah, if you put the fanboy for a moment and think about it, hashi really can take on itachi.
 

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Well yes hiashi has techniques to counter him and could outlast him with his powerful techniques and abilities, however, this means that Neji has the same chances, though with his greater overall speed and reflexes, he makes up for his lack of raw power that hiashi does with a more fast paced fighting style that would keep itachi on his toes throught the battle instead of a more power based.
 

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You could have went deeper in how he counters every move itachi has ever shown in the manga. But good so far.
 

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Itachi could always point at him and trap him in genjutsu that way.
 

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If Hiashi has the reactions to do this, and if you give him full intel.
 

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Itachi could always point at him and trap him in genjutsu that way.

easily Broken/Avoided, It isnt even worth mentioning.

If Hiashi has the reactions to do this, and if you give him full intel.

Reaction isnt even a problem with his eyes seeing everything! He doesn't need Full, all he needs is basic or close to none. Itachi isn't hard to read with the byakugan.
 

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easily Broken/Avoided, It isnt even worth mentioning.



Reaction isnt even a problem with his eyes seeing everything! He doesn't need Full, all he needs is basic or close to none. Itachi isn't hard to read with the byakugan.

Reaction is a problem. If he has the reactions to dodge then more power to him. Show me the feats.
 

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Reaction is a problem. If he has the reactions to dodge then more power to him. Show me the feats.

When you can Read you're opponents every intention with insight and anything Chakra related speed/reaction is only a plus. What does itachi have that can Out do the byakugans unique abilities it gives the users?
 

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Genjutsu. Owned. Good game.

Not a factor. Sure he may fall into a genjutsu but having trained his chakra control his entire life, I'm sure he could stop his chakra flow and restart it at a whim. Genjutsu does not equal auto win (as we have saw Uchihas have genjutsu fights often ie itachi vs sasuke, Obito vs kakashi)
 

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Not a factor. Sure he may fall into a genjutsu but having trained his chakra control his entire life, I'm sure he could stop his chakra flow and restart it at a whim. Genjutsu does not equal auto win (as we have saw Uchihas have genjutsu fights often ie itachi vs sasuke, Obito vs kakashi)

Hiashi isn't breaking tsukuyomi; if he falls to it he loses.
 

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Hiashi isn't breaking tsukuyomi; if he falls to it he loses.

Speculation. There is no way of knowing if he cannot break out or not. But I already stated how he can break out of genjutsu so I'm sticking to the argument that genjutsu isn't a 4sure winning tool against Hiashi. I will say, however, I don't think Hiashi will beat Itachi in a battle.
 

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Speculation. There is no way of knowing if he cannot break out or not. But I already stated how he can break out of genjutsu so I'm sticking to the argument that genjutsu isn't a 4sure winning tool against Hiashi. I will say, however, I don't think Hiashi will beat Itachi in a battle.

It's not speculation; he cannot break out of it. [ ] [ ]
 
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I was always under the impression that the Bakyugan was the only visual prowess capable of not falling under a genjutsu...
 

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Nicely composed thread.

Still hard to believe the Leaf has anybody Itachi level other than Naruto, Kakashi & Guy.
 

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Well yes hiashi has techniques to counter him and could outlast him with his powerful techniques and abilities, however, this means that Neji has the same chances, though with his greater overall speed and reflexes, he makes up for his lack of raw power that hiashi does with a more fast paced fighting style that would keep itachi on his toes throught the battle instead of a more power based.

Hiashi is superior to Neji in every single way buddy. o-o.
 

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doesnt itachi have genjutsu that effects you through other senses besides sight.
idk i think itachi wins low diff
 
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