Why do people think Madara>Hashirama

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Because it's obviously true.

EMS Madara = Hashirama
EMS Madara + Kyuubi = SM hashirama

Rinnegan Madara => BM cloak SM hashirama > SM Hashirama >> HAshirama

Don't worry, people tend to underestimate just how OP a rinnegan alone is... That's not even factoring in Mokuton and EMS yet... Oh, and if Madara were to get hashi's SM? Ha, he'd be able to summon shinshu.

@ bold: No lol

Hashirama>Madara
Hashirama> EMS Madara
SM Hashirama> EMS madara+kyuubi

All manga fact. re read the flashback and this is evident. the fact madara needed kyuubi in the first place is proof that he was weaker than hashirama. hashirama had to use sage mode for the first time because he had kyuubi. he never fought madara with killing intent. the very moment he intended to kill madara, he almost did it.

 

[Unorthodox]

Well we all know Shinsuusenju is OP as ****

I can't blame Madara for not being able to beat it when it's basically the size of the Juubi Tree with basically the power of PS and Kurama 100%

Juubi tree towers over the buddah not even comparable

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look how ps is compared to the the barrier

god dwarfs it

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[Crossroads]

Madara has only shown use of a few Rinnegan path's, I highly doubt he can utilize the Rinnegan as well as Nagato did.

Rinnegan Madara = Madara with Preta Path and..?

Preta Path doesn't amount to the loss of the Kyuubi, and Mokuton gets countered by Hashirama's Mokuton.

Some people won't be able to grasp this... but in a specific 1v1 between Hashirama and Madara.. I actually believe VotE Madara to have better chances in a fight 1v1 Vs. Hashirama (over Edo Madara). He lost last time, and his new arsenal doesn't make up for his loss of the Kyuubi. (at least against Hashirama).

I understand that Edo Madara is most likely more versatile than he ever was, but A>B>C logic doesn't apply to this Manga.


Edo Madara <= Edo Hashirama
VotE Madara < Hashirama

 

[Smd]

Well we all know Shinsuusenju is OP as ****

I can't blame Madara for not being able to beat it when it's basically the size of the Juubi Tree with basically the power of PS and Kurama 100%

idk about that. to me PS that madara weilded against kages looks about the same size of buddha.

i think the jubbi tree is bigger than them both

 

[KCMNaruto]

As for now Edo Hashirama=SM hashirama>Edo Madara

This is true as both edo madara and ems madara most powerfull technique was perfect sussano.

However in theory at least Edo Madara may be >Hashirama

how ? Simple answer: Rinnegan
confusing ? maybe but according to manga the rinnegan gives wielder potential to get yin yang release and even mastery over it

The shin susenjuu is simple pinacle power of yang element while ps is simplr pinacle power of yin element

Basically mastery over yin-yang release can nulify and make crumble shin susenjuu and perfecy sussano

In short according to the manga(hype and statements):

Rinnegan> Shin susenjuu
Rinnegan >Perfect Sussano
Rinnengan > any sharingan technique with kamui being debatable. Possible counter to kamui would creation of all things, yin-yang release or possibility of using any technique

Rinnegan Madara > Hashirama, although sage mode boost could make it more durable

by feats:

Hashirama > any form Madara

 

[Saskeu]

Hashirama > Madara.

 

[Silverblade]

IMO I think current Hashirama with 9 cloak BEATS Madara. Even though he has a rinnegan and Senju DNA Hashirama is still holding his own. I think Hashirama>Madara what do you think

EDIT: All NBers facepalm

Madara has Hashiramas powers. Thus meaning that he busts out a new wood technique, Madara could use it as well.

 

[Saskeu]

Madara has Hashiramas powers. Thus meaning that he busts out a new wood technique, Madara could use it as well.

he can't use anything hashi has in sage mode.

Shinsuusenju > madara.

 

[Aya San]

The eyes of god, rinnegan is getting underestimated

 

[chiboy]

Why is everyone so worked up about madara with rinnegan nagato was defeated, using d nine tails power naruto held his own against pains techs which were clearly inferior all am trying to say is that there are counters to rinnegan techs and madara showed weakness by using kurama against hashirama of which he was still defeated, kuramas power is more powerful than the rinnegan if madara lost with kurama what can d rinnegan do against hashirama don't 4get that even if madara has hashirama's dna he can't maximise it to hashiramas level as he still can't use some high end hashirama techs and d ones he can use is due to kabotu's enhancement hashirama is not fighting with intent to kill and when he did he got madara so guys stop d hype hashirama owns madara anyday anytime whether its edo rinnegan or ems he is still hasirama's boy so deal with it madara fanboys

 

[Aya San]

Why is everyone so worked up about madara with rinnegan nagato was defeated, using d nine tails power naruto held his own against pains techs which were clearly inferior all am trying to say is that there are counters to rinnegan techs and madara showed weakness by using kurama against hashirama of which he was still defeated, kuramas power is more powerful than the rinnegan if madara lost with kurama what can d rinnegan do against hashirama don't 4get that even if madara has hashirama's dna he can't maximise it to hashiramas level as he still can't use some high end hashirama techs and d ones he can use is due to kabotu's enhancement hashirama is not fighting with intent to kill and when he did he got madara so guys stop d hype hashirama owns madara anyday anytime whether its edo rinnegan or ems he is still hasirama's boy so deal with it madara fanboys

Madara is original owner of rinnegan thus > Nagato. Don't even mention that fodder name and compare it to Madara

 

[chiboy]

Madara is original owner of rinnegan thus > Nagato. Don't even mention that fodder name and compare it to Madara

Don't say that madara unlocked the rinnegan @ old age and practically has no combat experience with it but nagato has a lot of combat experience so I ask u, who should know more about its tech? So stop calling nagato a fodder he was a powerful ninja and itachi only got him because of his lack of mobility so stop hyping madara its a manga fact that the more he upgrades d more his ass is handed back to him by hashirama madara lost with ordinary sharingan,ms,ems+kuramma so what difference would the rinnegan do and do you guys think after the fight @ d valley of the end hashirama relaxed and stopped training that he did not improve, guys stop being shot sighted

 

[Kronnic]

Current Madara is > current Hashi... Why? Simple..
Madara how has Rinnegan and Hashi's DNA..
Hashi was not brought back at 100% strength... Now if Oro would somehow do something to get them back at full strength then we could have a debate..
Until then, Maddy is > than Hashi..

 

[KingHashirama]

i also think PS > Buddha

but apparently it has already been proved wrong.

rinngenn should be > buddha

But hashirama has the same PNJ power Naruto has

Only reason Madara ever stood a chance is PNJ....

Its like saying Madara > Rikudou, cause he has the Rinnegan.....wtf..

 

[Avinash012]

Hashirama > EMS Madara
EDO Madara < Hashirama by feats

IMO EDO Madara > Hashirama

 

[johnny335704]

1. Madara & Hashirama are Edo - Unlimited chakra for both - Both are Equal
2. Madara & Hashirama have wood techs - at least Equal strength or Hashi may have slightly upper hand.
3. Madara has rinnegan & Hashirama does not have rinnegan - Madara has good upper hand.
4. Madara does not have SM & Hashirama has SM - Hashirama has good upper hand.
5. Madara does not have Kurama (like in VOTE fight) So Hashirama does not have to worry about controlling Kurama - Hashirama has upper hand.
6. Madara & Hashirama's taijutsu - Both are Equal.