Itachi still above Kakashi?

[MonCheRena]

This shit is getting good

 

[Skull Knight]

they may all be variations of 1000 years of death jutsu honestly. U_U it may be hype and so far it is only hype. I mean, who could've seen one person Kakashi use 1000 different jutsu?
I think its like Minato having FTG and FTG lvl 2. Its the same jutsu but he used it twice before he touched the ground and added Rasengan to it. I think its like Naruto having shadow clone jutsu and using his shadow clones to make Uzumaki Barrage. Its not another jutsu, its just him using his shadow clones to kick together. :] that what I think his 1000 jutsu are . There just a variation or combo of some other attacks with different names.

but Zabuza(if i m not wrong) said that kakashi copied 1000jutsu
kishi should have shown atleast 1 good jutsu Kakashi has copied when he was a part of ANBU.:NO:

 

[Umari Senju]

Itachi said that because he never knew a non-Uchiha could achieve MS like he thought to himself when Kakashi hinted him around his vision. Databook says high level of Sharingan mastery can allow you to break tsukuyomi. Now that Kakashi mastered his MS, dunno why he couldn't.

Also, Kakashi has full intel on Itachi besides Izanami(he can't use izanagi or his izanagi is rather poor since he has no senju dna) and izanami won't work on Kakashi. Izanami only works on people who don't accept reality or try to be someone else. Kakashi isn't in that category. Itachi on the other side has no intel on Kamui

Okay you do have a point there. This fight could go either way honestly. I still give it to Itachi but still, it would be one tough match this go for the both of them. I guess it would really come down to who makes the smarter move 1st.

 

[itachi4real]

dont go there either. The same can be said with Itachi fans. Their argument is Yata Mirror this and Tosuka Blade that. Last I checked Itachi has other jutsu too. Please let's not make this a fanboy bashing debate and keep it between to very skilled ninja which they both are.

we only use those cus they can finish most people off...but i can sit here and name more of his tech and we itachi fans use more techs in an arguement than just yata and totsuka

 

[Itachi The Solo King]

Itachi solo's kakashi

 

[BlacLord™]

how are u gonna say he had the same skills if we've never seen he full power and skills?

I can tell English isn't your first language.

What I'm saying is that the 'user' of the Shapeshifting Technique retains all the skills of the person they are impersonating.

 

[itachi4real]

I can tell English isn't your first language.

What I'm saying is that the 'user' of the Shapeshifting Technique retains all the skills of the person they are impersonating.

oh i didn't know what the hell u were talking about....and i just f***ed up that one sentence lol but doesn't everybody

 

[H a n]

Can't judge a ninja just on his jutsu. The fight could go either way. Toe to toe. Whoever runs out of chakra would have to rely on hand to hand combat in which both are highly skilled in. Kakashi caught up and he has a bunch of jutsu copied to use at his disposal. Both are very smart and combat ready people.

 

[Stark]

Kakashi activates and use kamui rather faster(he has the fastest MS activation jutsu showed so far in the manga). Notice that when Sasuke launched arrows at him from a mid range distance,

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(only Sharingan was), yet he didn't only activate it at the same instant, but warped the 2arrows

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I think we're both forgetting that both Itachi and Kakashi won't start off with Mangekyou anyways. Kakashi wishes to preserve charka and feel out Itachi with clones that use up charka while Itachi plays Genjutsu games on Kakashi also using crow clones. Both will not start out with Mangekyou so it's not a matter a speed right now, what can Kakashi do against Susano'o anyways? Doton wall is useless.

 

[itachi4real]

Can't judge a ninja just on his jutsu. The fight could go either way. Toe to toe. Whoever runs out of chakra would have to rely on hand to hand combat in which both are highly skilled in. Kakashi caught up and he has a bunch of jutsu copied to use at his disposal. Both are very smart and combat ready people.

well this might have ended the thread

 

[itachi4real]

man this should end this thread.................kotoamasukami

 

[foxyladyland]

but Zabuza(if i m not wrong) said that kakashi copied 1000jutsu
kishi should have shown atleast 1 good jutsu Kakashi has copied when he was a part of ANBU.:NO:

Exactly! Zabuza doesn't know anything about Kakashi because he apparently heard it from someone else since this was their first time meeting and seeing each other. :] All rumors and hype.

 

[xcoyote]

I believe Kakashi was always the better shinobi overall ,what he lacked that Itachi had was a trump card and that is his MS ability Kamui.Imo current Kakashi wins more times than not.

 

[Umari Senju]

we only use those cus they can finish most people off...but i can sit here and name more of his tech and we itachi fans use more techs in an arguement than just yata and totsuka

XD Now that's a bold face lie and you know it! #1 Argument from Itiachi fans is one shot Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. They both have ton's of skill and other jutsu but everyone goes right to the MS Techs. But like I said above this could go either way.

They are both capable ninja and highly intelligent. It really comes down to which one lays the better trap in the end.

 

[itachi4real]

XD Now that's a bold face lie and you know it! #1 Argument from Itiachi fans is one shot Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. They both have ton's of skill and other jutsu but everyone goes right to the MS Techs. But like I said above this could go either way.

They are both capable ninja and highly intelligent. It really comes down to which one lays the better trap in the end.

so ur saying we dont use tsukuyomi, amaterasu, susanoo, koto, clone genjutsu, regular genjutu, izanami, crow genjutsu?

 

[slimreaper]

Reread the manga, it was Kakashi's clone owning and blocking Itachi's clone.

no kakashi out manuvered itachi, itachi's clones would have beaten the kakashi clone but he was distracted by the real deal

30% of his chakra, not power. His skills were the same and Kakashi managed to fight toe to toe with him and even outmanoeuvre him. You can't use their Part 1 fight because Kakashi was quite a few tiers below what he is now.

his power was decreased as well

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[itachi4real]

no kakashi out manuvered itachi, itachi's clones would have beaten the kakashi clone but he was distracted by the real deal


his power was decreased as well

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and then it says it was about 30% doesnt mean it was at 30%....so at maybe 30% he was put naruto in a genjutsu and fight kakashi toe to toe

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Yata is a ethereal item, Kamui becomes useless when blocked with Yata mirror. Both Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror have spiritual properties. Itachi is completely invincible.

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Lol, this is from of, the same databook, which of stated things as Raiton: Gain is infinite, Hebi Sasuke is undefeatable, Haku is faster than light, amirite? ROFL!

Kakashi wins now and anyone who disagrees isn't reading the same manga.

 

[Umari Senju]

so ur saying we dont use tsukuyomi, amaterasu, susanoo, koto, clone genjutsu, regular genjutu, izanami, crow genjutsu?

Most of you don't, no. Amateratsu usually comes up when talking about Sasuke, Tsukuyomi is only 2nd to the Yata Mirror/Totsuka Blade argument. And you rarely hear about the others when Debating with most Itachi Fans. Im not saying all of them do. Yourself, for example, haven't pulled out the tried and true Mirror/Sword argument, which is why I am finding it a pleasure to debate with you. But the others I tend to ignore because they don't even want to explore the other jutsu and skills at Itachi's disposal.

 

[itachi4real]

Most of you don't, no. Amateratsu usually comes up when talking about Sasuke, Tsukuyomi is only 2nd to the Yata Mirror/Totsuka Blade argument. And you rarely hear about the others when Debating with most Itachi Fans. Im not saying all of them do. Yourself, for example, haven't pulled out the tried and true Mirror/Sword argument, which is why I am finding it a pleasure to debate with you. But the others I tend to ignore because they don't even want to explore the other jutsu and skills at Itachi's disposal.

well then lol