[Discussion] Are Marines unbeatable by one pirate crew/organization?(Analysis)

[TenzaZangetsu]

It seems as though no single pirate crew can defeat the marines in an all out war. In order to beat the marines a crew requires the following:
1)Someone at or above fleet admiral level
2) 3 people who can beat an admiral
3) Several vice admiral level mates
4) Several captain level crewmates etc
All this assumes Garp and Sengoku won't participate, If ShiroHige kaizoku-dan(Whitebeard pirates) couldn't do it then who can?!?
Lets look at the Yonkou and Shichibukai:

Blackbeard Pirates
Marshall D Teach may be able to beat Akainu, but they have no repsones to the admirals, Shiryuu can't, Burgess can't, they'd get annihilated..
Redhair Pirates(Shanks crew)
Shanks handles Akainu, Benn Beckmann handles one of the admirals, and maybe, maybe, the fat guy handles another admiral and that's it, that leaves one admiral unattended to..
BigMam Pirates
Shanks crew seems stronger so..
Kaidou Pirates
Shanks again..
Ouka Shichibukai(Royal Shichibukai)
MiHawk is at yonkou-ish level so he'll deal with Akainu, the rest are toast, and yes that includes DoFlamingo none of the rest can take the heat from an admiral so..
What are your thoughts??

 

[YellowFang]

Yup, not a single crew can do so...

 

[David1996]

Well, I'd go with the WB Pirates...

- WB vs fleet admiral
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd Commanders vs Admirals
- Rest of commanders against vice admirals
- Strongest of each division fights captians

 

[Draphsin]

You didnt even mention the gorosei or CP-0 who are undoubtedly strong themselves, but I understand why you didnt.

But yea you're correct, the WG would shatter any single pirate crew, however I believe the revolutionaries would be a strong contending force.

 

[Lazlazor]

Revolutionary army, Dragon is all they need.

 

[iSpeak]

No, but 2 crews teaming up will give a lot of problems.

 

[The Big Boss]

the black beard pirates are getting more powerful , they can steal devil fruits.

 

[Avinash012]

Without any help from warlords the result may be different in case of WB....

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Well, I'd go with the WB Pirates...

- WB vs fleet admiral
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd Commanders vs Admirals
- Rest of commanders against vice admirals
- Strongest of each division fights captians

Maybe Marco and Diamond Jozu could beat an admiral if they chose wisely, but Ace couldn't win but he'd hold one off for a few days.. then trouble would begin..

You didnt even mention the gorosei or CP-0 who are undoubtedly strong themselves, but I understand why you didnt.

But yea you're correct, the WG would shatter any single pirate crew, however I believe the revolutionaries would be a strong contending force.

I suspect Dragon is at Yonkou level,but, his commanders included Kuma and Ivankov, both of whom can't take an admiral, so I'm kinda skeptical..

No, but 2 crews teaming up will give a lot of problems.

Two Yonkou would definitely win..

the black beard pirates are getting more powerful , they can steal devil fruits.

Yes, but not yet..

Without any help from warlords the result may be different in case of WB....

Yes, the WG would've been in a really tight spot..

 

[Avinash012]

Maybe Marco and Diamond Jozu could beat an admiral if they chose wisely, but Ace couldn't win but he'd hold one off for a few days.. then trouble would begin..

Nope Ace is easily as strong as Marco or abit stronger than him.....He is at disadvantage in case of Magma.....

I suspect Dragon is at Yonkou level,but, his commanders included Kuma and Ivankov, both of whom can't take an admiral, so I'm kinda skeptical..

1.Will of D
2.Son of Grap (On par with Roger)
3.Father of Luffy
4.Most wanted
5.Soloed longtown no Dif

This hype is more than Enough to put him above Yonkou...no wonder even if he is as strong as Roger..

 

[naruttebayo]

naah a single crew can't win against marine.

 

[Fujitora]

Well, I'd go with the WB Pirates...

- WB vs fleet admiral
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd Commanders vs Admirals
- Rest of commanders against vice admirals
- Strongest of each division fights captians

Ace can't do shit to the admirals, only commanders 1 3 5 can.

Nope Ace is easily as strong as Marco or abit stronger than him.....He is at disadvantage in case of Magma.....




1.Will of D
2.Son of Grap (On par with Roger)
3.Father of Luffy
4.Most wanted
5.Soloed longtown no Dif

This hype is more than Enough to put him above Yonkou...no wonder even if he is as strong as Roger..

Ace is not stronger than Marco nor is he near his level. Dragon being a D, Garps son, Luffys dad doesn't put him above the other top tiers. Him being most wanted man who is opposing the biggest government puts him up there with the top tiers. And he nor his dad were/are as strong as prime Roger, that much is obvious.

One crew isn't enough. There is no such thing as yonkou, admiral, fleet admiral level either. Those and couple others such as Dragon, Mihawk, Marco etc are top tiers in the same general level.

 

[Love Cook]

Well, I'd go with the WB Pirates...

- WB vs fleet admiral
- 1st, 2nd and 3rd Commanders vs Admirals
- Rest of commanders against vice admirals
- Strongest of each division fights captians

So that is why they lost the war with all their NW buddies ?

Of course no single crew can win vs the marines which is a massive organisation. It's strength by numbers too.

And vice admirals are not to be underestimated either and they have plenty of those.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

It's impossible to take the WG Solo XD!!!


I mean you have to literally take the world. Because the WG at Marineford can easily just call in a new batch of Marines to deploy in from around the world... Sure not the strongest, but numbers overwhelm.


If anyone can its Whitebeard. Possibly Blackbeard once he's at his strongest.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It's impossible for Pirates. In Marineford the Marines won with only a fraction of their low ranking subordinates. Million of Fodder > One singular strong person.
We don't know enough about the Revolutionary Army.
Dragon>Sakuzaki and it's possible he could fight two ADMIRALS if my theory is correct and he does have Uranus.
He so far does not have any Admiral tier followers. He has a few Vice Admiral level fighters. If he does have Admiral tier followers I would not be surprised of Dragon is using Kuzan as a double agent. He works for Teach : He works for Dragon. Maybe Dragon is also keeping tabs on Teach so that Luffy can achieve his dream.

So by my speculation:
Dragon vs Sakuzaki
Kuzan vs Borsalino
PX-0 Aka partially conscious Kuma vs Big shot VA
Ivankov vs Big shot VA
Scissor dude/tte vs Someone like Capman

 

[Avinash012]

Ace can't do shit to the admirals, only commanders 1 3 5 can.



Ace is not stronger than Marco nor is he near his level. Dragon being a D, Garps son, Luffys dad doesn't put him above the other top tiers. Him being most wanted man who is opposing the biggest government puts him up there with the top tiers. And he nor his dad were/are as strong as prime Roger, that much is obvious.

One crew isn't enough. There is no such thing as yonkou, admiral, fleet admiral level either. Those and couple others such as Dragon, Mihawk, Marco etc are top tiers in the same general level.

U didn't get a single point in my post ..

I said hype ,I didn't said that being luffy's father & Grap's son would make him strong.....

Dragon being D dfntly makes him stronger....A single fodder with D in his name ..?

Most of top dogs in OP are D's...

Grap isn't on Roger's level....?

Read manga properly ..Roger clearly stated that they nearly killed eachother more than one time ..that statement alone enough to put him on par with Roger and Grap would have died if Roger is that much stronger than him....

Marco is on Hawk eyes level...?
Seriously..?
What makes u think like that ...?
U r seriously Underrating Ace...
U must be a fanboy of Marco.....

 

[Fujitora]

U didn't get a single point in my post ..

I said hype ,I didn't said that being luffy's father & Grap's son would make him strong.....

Dragon being D dfntly makes him stronger....A single fodder with D in his name ..?

Most of top dogs in OP are D's...

Grap isn't on Roger's level....?

Read manga properly ..Roger clearly stated that they nearly killed eachother more than one time ..that statement alone enough to put him on par with Roger and Grap would have died if Roger is that much stronger than him....

Marco is on Hawk eyes level...?
Seriously..?
What makes u think like that ...?
U r seriously Underrating Ace...
U must be a fanboy of Marco.....

I know that. You're saying because he has this or that it means he is stronger than other top tiers. Dragon being a D, Luffy's dad, Garp's son does not mean he is stronger than any other top tier, get it? Him being the world's most dangerous man places him at their level. I didn't say he is fodder, he is obviously extremely strong. Saul was a D, and look at him compared to the top tiers. And no, most of the top dogs in OP are not D's. Garp was at one point at Rogers level, but later on was not when Roger became as strong as he could possibly become. The only who could keep up with him at that point was Whitebeard. You would know this if you had read the manga properly. Marco has proven himself during the war that he in the same general level as the top dogs and was also mentioned in the same breathe as the yonkou. I'm not underrating Ace, you're the one overrating him. Is it because you are a fanboy of him? He is much weaker than Marco.

 

[MythicDonut]

This got me wondering. Do you think that Commander-in-chief Kong is really that strong? Roger along with Whitebeard was said to be the strongest man in the world and the only person who could match with Roger apart from Whitebeard was Vice Admiral Garp. I know he rejected admiral already but a few times so I'm just gonna call Garp admiral level but Garp was lower then Kong but AS OF NOW the evidence says that Garp was just simply stronger since he was the only one able to match Roger.

Unless Kong is super immensely strong but Oda is saving him for that final battle...

 

[minatoisagod]

makes you gotta respect dragon's organization even more. He is taking on the marine's world government (CPs) included and the armies of nations allied to the world government DAMN

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Organisations currently that I can see having a chance at taking the Marines down are Revolutionary Army, Red Hair Pirates, Blackbeard Pirates.
Crews now inactive with a chance would be Roger Pirates and Whitebeard Pirates imo.