[Theory] The Ancient Weapon Uranus , Dragon and Enel.

[24 12 11 to troll]

Yes but if he make a come back , he would be strong as hell with all Haki type , i mean look at Bellamy.

And you assumed this based off of what? The fact that he will learn from others? No he wouldn't. Even then ; who knows how to use Busoshoku haki on the moon!?

Not just that but just knowing Haki isn't enough. Luffy is a pro with Haki and he STILL gets fodderized by Admiral tier characters

 

[Ahmed1993]

And you assumed this based off of what? The fact that he will learn from others? No he wouldn't. Even then ; who knows how to use Busoshoku haki on the moon!?

Not just that but just knowing Haki isn't enough. Luffy is a pro with Haki and he STILL gets fodderized by Admiral tier characters

The guy already knew and mastered CoO to a very high level in the Skypiea arc and you tell me he won't learn and master other Haki ?
Ok then keep believing that , but don't come shocked when he turns to have became super powerful if he came back.

And no Luffy don't get foddersized by Admiral , he get beaten yes but they not easily.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

The guy already knew and mastered CoO to a very high level in the Skypiea arc and you tell me he won't learn and master other Haki ?
Ok then keep believing that , but don't come shocked when he turns to have became super powerful if he came back.

And no Luffy don't get foddersized by Admiral , he get beaten yes but they not easily.

Ever considered the possibility that Enel could have learnt to use Mantra (Kenbonshoku Haki) before he ate the Goro Goro no Mi?

He has something called the God complex.

is an unshakable belief characterized by consistently inflated feelings of personal ability, privilege, or infallibility. A person with a god complex may refuse to admit the possibility of their error or failure, even in the face of complex or intractable problems or difficult or impossible tasks, or may regard personal opinions as unquestionably correct. The individual may disregard the rules of society and require special consideration or privileges.

Do you really think he would listen to anybody saying he can get stronger? Or Saying he could be defeated by more people than that blue sea rubber bloke? He would kill anyone who talks about his strength as if it was insufficient.

Even if he does SOMEHOW learn the basics of Busoshoku haki : there isn't anybody on the moon of which can compare in strength : nobody to push him to improve his haki or to practice his haki , if he holds back i.e. doesn't kill every ****ing person on the moon : then he won't be improving or learning Busoshoku haki.

Even if he knows the basics. It took Luffy 18 months to get to where he is. An Admirals haki is maybe twice as strong. Twice. Enel didn't have and still hasn't had 36 months , Luffy also had the best teacher and the best conditions.

Enel has: no teacher , crappy conditions , God complex : he won't want to become more powerful as he already sees himself as omnipotent.

And you tell me Luffy never got fodderized!?
-One shotted by Borsalino (whom was being lazy)
-Easily defeated by Kuzan who wasn't even trying(whom just woke up , was tired)
-Would've been one shotted by Sakuzaki if it wasn't for Ace,Jinbe,Marco,Whitebeard who saved his silly ass

Even now after the time skip he is nowhere near strong enough:
Luffy=Law
Law shat himself when Fujitora tested his strength
Law is getting pwned by Doflamingo whom isn't even Admiral tier.

Enel will never be Admiral tier , even if he does ; the Yonkou would still fodderize him as they fodderize admiral tier characters.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Ever considered the possibility that Enel could have learnt to use Mantra (Kenbonshoku Haki) before he ate the Goro Goro no Mi?

He has something called the God complex.



Do you really think he would listen to anybody saying he can get stronger? Or Saying he could be defeated by more people than that blue sea rubber bloke? He would kill anyone who talks about his strength as if it was insufficient.

Even if he does SOMEHOW learn the basics of Busoshoku haki : there isn't anybody on the moon of which can compare in strength : nobody to push him to improve his haki or to practice his haki , if he holds back i.e. doesn't kill every ****ing person on the moon : then he won't be improving or learning Busoshoku haki.

Even if he knows the basics. It took Luffy 18 months to get to where he is. An Admirals haki is maybe twice as strong. Twice. Enel didn't have and still hasn't had 36 months , Luffy also had the best teacher and the best conditions.

Enel has: no teacher , crappy conditions , God complex : he won't want to become more powerful as he already sees himself as omnipotent.

And you tell me Luffy never got fodderized!?
-One shotted by Borsalino (whom was being lazy)
-Easily defeated by Kuzan who wasn't even trying(whom just woke up , was tired)
-Would've been one shotted by Sakuzaki if it wasn't for Ace,Jinbe,Marco,Whitebeard who saved his silly ass

Even now after the time skip he is nowhere near strong enough:
Luffy=Law
Law shat himself when Fujitora tested his strength
Law is getting pwned by Doflamingo whom isn't even Admiral tier.

Enel will never be Admiral tier , even if he does ; the Yonkou would still fodderize him as they fodderize admiral tier characters.

Who told you that he still has that complex after he got beaten by Luffy ?
Heck Luffy told him that there are a lot of people stronger than him ( Luffy ) that they can beat Enel.

Why wouldn't he believe the guy who beaten him ?

Again who told you that there is nobody strong in the moon ? you are speculating here...

Enel went off panel for a lot of time even more than Luffy's time skip , and you're speculating about the Admiral's Haki being twice as strong as Luffy's.

Their Haki are indeed stronger but not twice as much as Luffy and btw Doflamingo said himself that Luffy is probably stronger than Law.


I'm talking about the post-time-skip Luffy not the pre time-skip.


Law cut that Meteor like it was nothing , and you are telling me he is nowhere near as powerful ?

Plus he is fighting 2 crazy opponent : Doflamingo and Fujitora.

And btw who told you that Doflamingo < Admiral ?

He beat Smoker like he was nothing , and the reasons he didn't fight Aokiji because it will eventually become a 2 vs 1

Smoker+Aokiji vs him , and that he mustn't wast his time and put his life in danger here , he must got to straw hat.


And finally , A Yonko > Admiral.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Who told you that he still has that complex after he got beaten by Luffy ?
Heck Luffy told him that there are a lot of people stronger than him ( Luffy ) that they can beat Enel.

Why wouldn't he believe the guy who beaten him ?

He still thought of himself as God and headed to fairy vearth anyway.

Again who told you that there is nobody strong in the moon ? you are speculating here...

The cover story in the manga , all inhabitants were powerless against a crew of Space pirates which Enel one shotted (cover stories are cannon)

Enel went off panel for a lot of time even more than Luffy's time skip , and you're speculating about the Admiral's Haki being twice as strong as Luffy's.

I'm estimating. Not speculating ; I (unlike you) are capable of power scaling )

Their Haki are indeed stronger but not twice as much as Luffy and btw Doflamingo said himself that Luffy is probably stronger than Law.

Probably does not mean certainly does it? I think Luffy will need a powerup first before surpassing Law.

I'm talking about the post-time-skip Luffy not the pre time-skip.

So am I.

Law cut that Meteor like it was nothing , and you are telling me he is nowhere near as powerful ?

Oh really? He shat himself.

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And then whilse cutting he has a grimace on his face (which is a facial expression used to show huge physical efforts in sport e.g. long distance running) , he was struggling to cut the meteor:

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You cannot deny manga fact.

Plus he is fighting 2 crazy opponent : Doflamingo and Fujitora.

And btw who told you that Doflamingo < Admiral ?

Doflamingo pussied out of a fight vs Kuzan.

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He also shat himself (LIKE LAW) when Isshou pulled down a meteor.

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That facial expression looks as though he's tempted to cry for his mummy.

That is why I say he is weaker than admirals. He was also panting to unfreeze himself vs Kuzan too:

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It shows how powerful his Ice is.

He beat Smoker like he was nothing , and the reasons he didn't fight Aokiji because it will eventually become a 2 vs 1

Which is why I believe An Admirals Haki is double that of Luffys. Smoker was already out cold ; no way would it be a 2v1

Smoker+Aokiji vs him , and that he mustn't wast his time and put his life in danger here , he must got to straw hat.

So you do agree with me?

And finally , A Yonko > Admiral.

I already said that.

You really need to read what I say more carefully. You completely dodged my argument about Enel being within a limited learning environment giving him a handicap : completely. Good job. You lost.

 

[Ahmed1993]

The cover story in the manga , all inhabitants were powerless against a crew of Space pirates which Enel one shotted (cover stories are cannon)

In skypiea , nearly everyone were fodder and then we see Enel , do you get my point ?

I'm estimating. Not speculating ; I (unlike you) are capable of power scaling )

I told a question and put a Manga fact ( the off panel of Enel ) , i didn't speculate anything here.
And estimating is speculating.

Oh really? He shat himself.

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In other translation , he says : " You've got to be kidding me " so we don't know for sure what he said.

Doflamingo pussied out of a fight vs Kuzan.

Explain to me why would he waste his time ( he had a time limit put by Law ) and put his life in danger fighting and Admiral ? and plus Smoker can help Aokiji in the fight , so it will eventually become a 2 vs 1.

He also shat himself (LIKE LAW) when Isshou pulled down a meteor.

Against Fujitora , yes he did panic a bit with an easy face , but against Aokiji he was smiling.
And besides Admirals aren't at the same level , an example to this would be Akainu and Aokiji.

That facial expression looks as though he's tempted to cry for his mummy.

That is why I say he is weaker than admirals. He was also panting to unfreeze himself vs Kuzan too:

The guy is clearly smiling like its nothing and you are telling me that he is about to cry ? Dafuq are you high bro ?
And no he isn't painting.

So you do agree with me?

Its obvious that even in 1vs1 battle , It won't be a walk in the park but that don't proves he is weaker than Admiral.

I already said that.

You really need to read what I say more carefully. You completely dodged my argument about Enel being within a limited learning environment giving him a handicap : completely. Good job. You lost.

I put that because i know that every debate including an Admiral will talk about a Yonko and therefore a comparison.
And btw i didn't lost.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

In skypiea , nearly everyone were fodder and then we see Enel , do you get my point ?

Uhm no not really , you haven't considered the possibility that he was once as strong as his priests ; and practiced Mantra in a competitive environment before finding his devil fruit.

I told a question and put a Manga fact ( the off panel of Enel ) , i didn't speculate anything here.
And estimating is speculating.

Estimation:

Estimation is the process of finding an estimate.
Estimate:

Roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of ; based off of given/existent information.

Speculation:

To speculate.
Speculate:

Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

you sure about that? They're nothing alike.

In other translation , he says : " You've got to be kidding me " so we don't know for sure what he said.

He's sweating after one move. That Meteor caused problems for Law and that was just a strength TEST. Fujitora could probably pull down the asteroid belt.

Explain to me why would he waste his time ( he had a time limit put by Law ) and put his life in danger fighting and Admiral ? and plus Smoker can help Aokiji in the fight , so it will eventually become a 2 vs 1.

No Smoker couldn't/

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(excuse the foreign language but i'm rushed and I don't have time to find an english scan)

You said it yourself. He avoided dying. He never quit the warlords either ; so he had all the time in the world.

Against Fujitora , yes he did panic a bit with an easy face

He always has an easy going attitude...

but against Aokiji he was smiling.

Grimacing*

And besides Admirals aren't at the same level , an example to this would be Akainu and Aokiji.

So you're saying that A 10 day stalemate puts the Admirals on completely different levels. For all we know Aokiji fell asleep for 1 second. We don't know whether one tricked the other etc.

Going by your logic Sakuzaki (being the strongest marine these days since Garps retirement) Only slightly > Kuzan > Fujitora. This places Kuzan ABOVE the man who made Doflamingo crap his pants.

The guy is clearly smiling like its nothing and you are telling me that he is about to cry ? Dafuq are you high bro ?
And no he isn't painting.

Dialogue:
"*Pant. Pant. Pant.*"

Its obvious that even in 1vs1 battle , It won't be a walk in the park but that don't proves he is weaker than Admiral.

Believe I just have.

I put that because i know that every debate including an Admiral will talk about a Yonko and therefore a comparison.
And btw i didn't lost.

I didn't lose*

Why am I debating with someone who can't spell?

 

[Ahmed1993]

Uhm no not really , you haven't considered the possibility that he was once as strong as his priests ; and practiced Mantra in a competitive environment before finding his devil fruit.

Who told you that he learned Mantra before having a DF ?

No Smoker couldn't/

Admirals can fight for 10 days , and in that period of time smoker can rest and then fight.

You said it yourself. He avoided dying. He never quit the warlords either ; so he had all the time in the world.

He had 24 H , and considering that the endurance of Aokiji then we can conclude he didn't have time for this.

He always has an easy going attitude...

But why he smiles against Kuzan and panic a bit against Fujitora ?

Grimacing*

Smiling*

So you're saying that A 10 day stalemate puts the Admirals on completely different levels. For all we know Aokiji fell asleep for 1 second. We don't know whether one tricked the other etc.

When was it stated he fell asleep in that fight ?

I didn't lose*

Why am I debating with someone who can't spell?

I can't spell because i made a tiny mistake ? are you high bro ?
We are humans , we all make faults , even the English pros.
And btw English is not my native language or even my second language.

 

[Netferarri]

It's nice, thanks for the share

 

[the nine tails]

awesome theory =D=D=D