Put that hate away for just a moment NB..

[ballerjordan]

Who the hell is comparing feats? Naruto is the hero of the manga. Off course his feats are going to lead in numbers. I am just looking at their individual skills of chakra handling.

BTW, it's still sage mode - just using Kyuubi's chakra in the mix too. Earlier Kurama didn't let him use it, now he is cooperating. So while the volume is much larger it is easier to mix it now. The tug of war with Kyuubi has stopped.( that's how I understand that kyuubi+sage mode).

Off course Naruto is good at handling a large volume. Even Sasuke acknowledged it.

It's not Sage mode. Naruto combined his spiritual energy + his physical energy + nature energy + Kurama's energy = A completely different mode (BSM). That alone is an incredible chakra control feat.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

I am not ignoring his chakra control feats but i have my reasons why sakura would always be more impressive to me made is a few comments back i can't repeat. I'm fine with whoever thinks Naruto has more. I still hold to my thoughts though.

Fair enough...haha

1. First of all in this case he was able to create Rasenshuriken because he had enough chakra to use such a destructive technique...
2. In BM you don't need that much amount of chakra control, because there is no tug-of-war with Kurama..
3. Same in case of BSM, no tug-of-war...

1. Just having a large chakra definitely doesn't mean you can create Rasenshuriken. He had to mix his chakra element with the Rasengan (which already requires great chakra control). You can't just do that with a large chakra.
2./3. Although he isn't playing tug of war he still has to maintain and stabilize Kurama's large chakra, plus mix Nature energy and his own chakra. That requires almost perfect chakra control to create the correct ratio.

 

[iNotorious]

It's not Sage mode. Naruto combined his spiritual energy + his physical energy + nature energy + Kurama's energy = A completely different mode (BSM). That alone is an incredible chakra control feat.

That's my boy h:

 

[Avinash012]

1. First of all in this case he was able to create Rasenshuriken because he had enough chakra to use such a destructive technique...
2. In BM you don't need that much amount of chakra control, because there is no tug-of-war with Kurama..
3. Same in case of BSM, no tug-of-war...

Having more chakra will make u top tier interms of chakra control..........

What does Kyubi's cooperation have to do with chakra control in the first place...?

It is hard to control chakra while Kyubi interupting with Naruto's chakra control and it is easy (compared to when Kyubi is interupting) to control chakra while Kyubi is cooperating with Naruto.....
Naruto is the one that is controling chakra regardless wether Kyubi is cooperatng wit him or not....

 

[Transcendence]

Who the hell is comparing feats? Naruto is the hero of the manga. Off course his feats are going to lead in numbers. I am just looking at their individual skills of chakra handling.

BTW, it's still sage mode - just using Kyuubi's chakra in the mix too. Earlier Kurama didn't let him use it, now he is cooperating. So while the volume is much larger it is easier to mix it now. The tug of war with Kyuubi has stopped.( that's how I understand that kyuubi+sage mode).

Off course Naruto is good at handling a large volume. Even Sasuke acknowledged it.

@Bold: That's really the only way you can gauge chakra control prowess... And you can't really throw the whole "main character" argument at this.

 

[Avani]

It's not Sage mode. Naruto combined his spiritual energy + his physical energy + nature energy + Kurama's energy = A completely different mode (BSM). That alone is an incredible chakra control feat.

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Kyuubi was divided in two halves separating yin and yang, physical and spiritual energy. It's not a new type of energy ..

@Bold: That's really the only way you can gauge chakra control prowess... And you can't really throw the whole "main character" argument at this.

If you are going to counts the number of feats then it becomes relevant. If you are comparing a skill then it's not.

 

[naruttebayo]

naruto currently have better chakra control

it was only due to hindrance from fox chakra he sucked at chakra molding

& i'm not a sakura hater. i never was hmm

Both have good chakra control according to their abilities. Sakura doesn't have Naruto's stamina and Naruto doesn't have kind of intelligence needed for medical skills. Naruto can store and handle more volume of chakra while Sakura's can focus and use it in more precise way to be able to operate, heal and creates meds and antidotes etc.

Why compare a needle with a sword? Both have their own use and you cannot interchange their place..

PS: You should have added a third neutral option to your poll.

but i agree with this too


however we are currently needing a sword more than a needle

 

[Avinash012]

however we are currently needing a sword more than a needle

That Logic.......XDXDXD

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Kyuubi was divided in two halves separating yin and yang, physical and spiritual energy. It's not a new type of energy ..

it is even more dif than Normal chakra control for SM since he need to properly balence Yin + Yang + Natural energy
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Lack of YIn makes it more dif...

 

[Avani]

it is even more dif than Normal chakra control for SM since he need to properly balence Yin + Yang + Natural energy
....
Lack of YIn makes it more dif...

Lack of yin in kurama may limit the scope of total chakra which could be molded but it won't make it more complicated. Naruto can use his yin. Besides now Kurama got some from his counterpart in Minato so....

 

[Simple Math]

Lol @ Ira vs Naruto supporters. Certainly interesting to read. :L

OT: This one should go for Naruto. I don't even find it debateable.

 

[Prince Charles]

Naruto gained his ability to control chakra from sheer hard work and with chakr/stamina to spare for it- trial and error. He still doesn't understand the theory behind it.

I lol'd at this Ira. Naruto doesnt understand the theory behind it.?

How did you come to the conclusion that he doesnt understand the theory behind it when Jiraiya himself practically gave naruto the training back in part 1 regarding the rasegan training and the method behind by utilizing that balloon?

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And others have already mentioned narutos current feat during the war with sharing his chakra to feat each shinobi. Who has better chakra control sakura or naruto? By a landslide I give it to naruto, not underrating sakura because medical ninjutsu users require near perfect chakra control.

 

[Transcendence]

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Kyuubi was divided in two halves separating yin and yang, physical and spiritual energy. It's not a new type of energy ..



If you are going to counts the number of feats then it becomes relevant. If you are comparing a skill then it's not.

I meant specific feats, not the amount of feats.

 

[Edo Odin]

As I said earlier, this is endless debate...XD Naruto being Uzumaki obviously helped him in controlling Kurama, go and seal Kurama in Tenten or any other ninja, he/she won't be able to control it, because they don't have enough life force to withstand Kurama(in short to contain it), forget about controlling it, not even Sakura has that life force, well it depends on how you look at things...=D

In order to become a Jinchuriki, one must have strong Chakra and vitality, neither of which are related to Chakra control. As I said before, one is not born with good Chakra control, it's something you achieve through training. In this aspect, his inheritance has nothing to do with the topic.

Considering it is an S-rank technique/pinacle of chakra control, yes.

I wasn't planning to have one. Most of naruto's chakra control feats are hinged to his huge chakra reserves. If Chakra control was a big part of learning sage mode etc. Sakura could very well have a shot at them but last time i checked everyone tells me otherwise.

Given her chakra pool < naruto's. Her feats are more impressive to me. He can make up for his chakra control with large amounts of chakra, she can't.

Funnily enough, the Rasengan was also stated to be the pinnacle of Chakra Control. Yet, you've seem to have chosen to ignore that fact.

@Bold: I always find these kind of statements funny. If you didn't intend to have a discussion, why post on the thread/reply to my post in the first place?

Chakra Control can't be made up for with high Chakra reserves, if that was the case, Naruto would have been the strongest member in his class, considering just how high his reserves are. And yet, he was the worst one in his class, why? Because he lacked Chakra Control, which he has now mastered, which has brought him up to a power level of an immense degree.

Naruto gained his ability to control chakra from sheer hard work and with chakr/stamina to spare for it- trial and error. He still doesn't understand the theory behind it. Not everyone is blessed with unusually large amount of chakra with a Kyuubi top up to be able to do so. Sakura has achieved what she has without an Uzumaki or Uchiha DNA back up.

Storing chakra in forhead - if it was that easy all the ninjas all over the place would have been doing it. Shizune hasn't succeeded yet.

I understand that You prefer Naruto's capacity over Sakuras but I don't see why you will undermine and chakra sealing tech so ridiculously? Character hate shouldn't cloud logical abilities.

He achieved great Chakra control through brutal training, his understanding of the matter doesn't change the facts, he's still immensely talented when it comes to Chakra Control. Once again I'll mention the fact that him being an Uzumaki is completely irrelevant here. The Uzumaki clan was blessed with strong Chakra and Life Force, Chakra Control won't be inherited alongside of these things, probably because it's something you train for in order to master it. And Naruto did indeed train, far more than Sakura ever did, which is why he has managed to surpass her in this aspect, an aspect she was once superior to him in. Just by looking at the feats of the two, this should be apparent.

Character hate? Really? So, despite acknowledging her proficiency when it comes to Chakra Control, I'm a hater, just because I don't feel her feats can compare to what Naruto has showcased at this point? Please, feel free to disagree with me, but don't accuse me of something as shallow as hating a Fictional character.

 

[Avani]

I lol'd at this Ira. Naruto doesnt understand the theory behind it.

How did you compare to the conclusion that he doesnt understand the theory behind it when Jiraiya himself practically gave naruto the training back in part 1 regarding the rasegan training and the method behind by utilizing that balloon?

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And others have already mentioned narutos current feat during the war with sharing his chakra to feat each shinobi. Who has better chakra control sakura or naruto? By a landslide I give it to naruto, not underrating sakura because medical ninjutsu users require near perfect chakra control.

Ask Tobirama and Sasuke. They are the ones asking him questions and then regretting it.

A genuine discussion is one thing. Trying to argue just for the sake if it, is stupid as in this case person arguing has no intention of reaching a logical conclusion. Good night. It's already Sunday for me.

 

[Avinash012]

Lack of yin in kurama may limit the scope of total chakra which could be molded but it won't make it more complicated. Naruto can use his yin. Besides now Kurama got some from his counterpart in Minato so....

R U sayng that Naruto's Yin is compatable to Kyubui's Yang....?

Ya u r right he got his Yin from Minato but he'll eventually run out of Juice ....

Usng sage mode means that u should balence all Yin,Yang and Natural energy..So lack of Yin would be a prob for Naruto

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[Kαmi]

Lol @ Ira vs Naruto supporters. Certainly interesting to read. :L

OT: This one should go for Naruto. I don't even find it debateable.

I'm noticing this now too Lol. I leave my thread for just a moment and this happens.

OT: Ira, I think the most of us get what you're saying by now. It's difficult to compare these two in this sense because of what they both specialize in, one being a medic and one being a fighter. But Naruto being a fighter doesn't take away from his chakra control either right? Whether he learned from trial and error or not, he's still been learning how to use his chakra more and more efficiently and that's what chakra control is right? Granted, he has much bigger reserves with chakra, allowing him to have more error but it doesn't take away the feats he's been showing and improving all throughout the manga. Some of the Naruto supporters are downplaying Sakura as well as even though she doesn't do as much as Naruto, she does a great deal with the chakra she has.
I kind skimmed over but it looks like both sides aren't really taking in account how great the feats each shinobi has shown.
Still though, I find Naruto to have better chakra control by making great use of his massive chakra pool, his complicated Rasengan variants, and his mastery of SM.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Dayum this thread became interesting the Naruto supporters are like kage bunshins jumping the enemy lolz.

OT: Finally voted on the poll even though i said who i think was better 2 pages ago.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ask Tobirama and Sasuke. They are the ones asking him questions and then regretting it.

A genuine discussion is one thing. Trying to argue just for the sake if it, is stupid as in this case person arguing has no intention of reaching a logical conclusion. Good night. It's already Sunday for me.

Denying Manga facts and then using sunday to justify your means of running away from this? No boo-boo we dont play that here. I already proved you wrong on this matter U_U. If you wish to stay trapped in the infinite tysukuyomi and deny facts then be my guest.

 

[siyo]

Naruto.Based on feats it's not even close.

 

[Joshutsu]

@Bold: I always find these kind of statements funny. If you didn't intend to have a discussion, why post on the thread/reply to my post in the first place?

Chakra Control can't be made up for with high Chakra reserves, if that was the case, Naruto would have been the strongest member in his class, considering just how high his reserves are. And yet, he was the worst one in his class, why? Because he lacked Chakra Control, which he has now mastered, which has brought him up to a power level of an immense degree.

Well that's just it posting in this thread was simply asking me my own opinion. A potential discussion won't change it and like i said i wasn't planning to, it was you who replied to it saying theres no point in having a discussion with me as if i replied directly to something you said or was expecting a debate from you or anyone else. And yes i have to believe large chakra reserves can make up for average chakra control.

If having good chakra control is the precision of executing techniques without wasted chakra. If you have large amount of chakra i would assume you have more to put into your techniques even if you are wasting it, it hardly effects you as you have such large reserves. Two people can pull off the same technique with one using less chakra than the other.

Also no I am not ignoring Naruto's rasengan but you were the one who was playing off Sakura and the seal/ storing the chakra in one spot for being childsplay(as it came accross to me). I never mentioned rasengan being something easily or not requiring any measure of chakra control.