Minato and Naruto vs Hashirama/Madara

[pateuvasiliu]

100 meters apart, IC to kill, Konoha Crater.

All are alive, though Minato has Kurama.

Full intel.

Minato has access to any physical feat Naruto has made in BM ( chakra roars, chakra arms, shunshin speed ).

Bijuu mode, PS and Shinsusenju all last indefinitely.

Scenario 1: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( EMS version )

Scenario 2: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( Rinnegan version, still alive )

Scenario 3: Naruto and Minato vs Hashirama ( no SM )

Scenario 4: Naruto and Minato vs Hashirama ( no restrictions )

Bonus: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( EMS ) and Hashirama ( with SM )

 

[iRefleX]

Hashirama or Madara win

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Hashirama or Madara win

I'll have to disagree with that.

I have a hard time believing PS beats one BM, let alone two.

 

[iRefleX]

I'll have to disagree with that.

I have a hard time believing PS beats one BM, let alone two.

The guy has Rinnegan. He won't even need PS...Base susanoo would be good enough...

 

[AGoodBoy]

Nardo and dad win 1 ,3.

They get shat on in all other scenarios. Nardo is only on EMS Madara's LEvel right now. It's only because of minato he'd even beat base hashi Zzz

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Nardo and dad win 1 ,3.

They get shat on in all other scenarios. Nardo is only on EMS Madara's LEvel right now. It's only because of minato he'd even beat base hashi Zzz

I very much doubt base hashirama can beat BM Naruto. The only reason he tanked that bijuudama is that it was a small one.

A combined one would look like this.

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[AGoodBoy]

I very much doubt base hashirama can beat BM Naruto. The only reason he tanked that bijuudama is that it was a small one.

A combined one would look like this.

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IDk wtf you're talking about seeing as I said base hashi loses scenario 3 because minato is there. You bring up a scan of a combined TBB and stating that a combined Tbb would look like that doesn't prove in anyway that naruto stands a chance against base hashirama, let alone SM hashirama.

I was simply stating that SBM naruto is around EMS madara's level, if not better. SBM Naruto >= EMS Madara. BAse hashirama >>> EMS Madara therefore > Naruto. It doesn't matter if you say abc logic blah blah, it changes nothing since naruto's arsenal is countered completely by hashirama's. For that matter, We don't even know a counter for BoD yet seeing as it doesn't restrain you or casts any illusions or anything, it simply blinds you, so Naruto has to contend with that along with the rest of hashirama's ridiculous arsenal. Maybe it's short ranged, who knows.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

BoD is countered by sensing or smell. It only affects vision.

 

[Fecal Matter]

They win all except the bonus.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

What does rinnegan bring so strong as to be able to fight 2 BMs ?

 

[Bronze]

madara is enough to stomp these fodders. adding hashirama is god stomp

 

[Fodder#4]

100 meters apart, IC to kill, Konoha Crater.

All are alive, though Minato has Kurama.

Full intel.

Minato has access to any physical feat Naruto has made in BM ( chakra roars, chakra arms, shunshin speed ).

Bijuu mode, PS and Shinsusenju all last indefinitely.

Scenario 1: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( EMS version ) Naruto and Minato win mid to high diff

Scenario 2: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( Rinnegan version, still alive ) A much closer fight. I'd give it to Minato and Naruto, high diff.

Scenario 3: Naruto and Minato vs Hashirama ( no SM ) Minato and Naruto high diff. Mokuton is a real problem here.

Scenario 4: Naruto and Minato vs Hashirama ( no restrictions ) Hashirama mid diff... That's pushing it at bit. Only Minato's FTG makes it mid diff.

Bonus: Naruto and Minato vs Madara ( EMS ) and Hashirama ( with SM )Team two low diff, honestly close to no diff.

The bold is how I see's de' matches going.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I agree with you on the match results, though the difficulty may vary.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

They win all except the bonus one.


EMS Madara and base Hashirama is low diff.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I don't know. I somehow think that a combined bijuudama with senjutsu chakra ( which in the latest scan is several times bigger than Minato + Naruto's BM combined ) would take down Shinsusenju.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I don't know. I somehow think that a combined bijuudama with senjutsu chakra ( which in the latest scan is several times bigger than Minato + Naruto's BM combined ) would take down Shinsusenju.

I can't say for sure how things would go if the 2 teams clashed. However, I've been acused of being a fanboy already when I said BSM Naruto>Madara. You know how their fanbases are, they're used to Hashirama and/or Madara being the strongest. They'll chew my head off!

 

[Fecal Matter]

I can't say for sure how things would go if the 2 teams clashed. However, I've been acused of being a fanboy already when I said BSM Naruto>Madara. You know how their fanbases are, they're used to Hashirama and/or Madara being the strongest. They'll chew my head off!

But Naruto is >>>> EMS Madara only fools would disagree.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Naruto and Minato Mid-Diff. One Bm and now combined with senjutsu because of his power up can destroy a Ps, and nullify any attempts of Madara attempting to absorb it with preta path, thus making him turn to stone. Hashirama's Shinsusenju hasn't shown any speed feats, hence why it can be assumed that it's ridiculous mass would make it slow. Naruto and Minato have shown quite the speed, furthermore Minato can use FTG to take Naruto and himself to a different location. I see no possible way of Naruto and Minato losing unless they literally let themselves be killed. Rinnegan in this situation is quit useless, and Shinsensenju won't have any drastic effect on the outcome of this battle.

 

[KidGamer65]

They win every scenario except the last one and the bonus.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

They win every scenario except the last one and the bonus.

Do you think Shinsusenju can tank a double BM bijuudama + senjutsu added to it?

I am reluctant to believe that.