[Discussion] my 2 cents on mukuton

[osba]

Obito proved chance works ;D

Maybe Yamato just survived,, also we don't know his clan either,

maybe all the colours in the world dissapear when not being observed *_*

 

[Meowazziel]

Obito proved chance works ;D

Maybe Yamato just survived,, also we don't know his clan either,

Obito has high yin, due to being an uchiha, so I dont think chance is happening in his case.

 

[osba]

Obito has high yin, due to being an uchiha, so I dont think chance is happening in his case.

Obito does not have mukuton.. his wood jutsu is diffrent.. it is from the zetsu.. zetsu was created from the gedo mazo^.^.
he does not have hashirama's cells

 

[Meowazziel]

Obito does not have mukuton.. his wood jutsu is diffrent.. it is from the zetsu.. zetsu was created from the gedo mazo^.^.
he does not have hashirama's cells

He does have them. His right side is implanted with zetsu cells(which are Hashirama´s cells in a way) and he used Mokuton jutsus vs those blood mist shinobi.
But yeah, they are not Hashirama his original cells I think(like the ones that Madara implanted into Madara´s own chest), so you are right on that part.

 

[osba]

He does have them. His right side is implanted with zetsu cells(which are Hashirama´s cells in a way) and he used Mokuton jutsus vs those blood mist shinobi.
But yeah, they are not Hashirama his original cells I think(like the ones that Madara implanted into Madara´s own chest), so you are right on that part.

oh wait your right, zetsu was created from hashirama's cells.. didn't remember o.o
yeah i guess you are right.

 

[Draxus]

oh wait your right, zetsu was created from hashirama's cells.. didn't remember o.o
yeah i guess you are right.

Yeah zetsu are incomplete Hashi clones fueled by the mezzo, which is why they don't really use Mukoton. Obito can't really use it without help either.

As for your theory, I think senjutsu is the missing element that make Mukoton possible. I think Hashi's cells gather nature energy naturally. No pun intended.

 

[osba]

Yeah zetsu are incomplete Hashi clones fueled by the mezzo, which is why they don't really use Mukoton. Obito can't really use it without help either.

As for your theory, I think senjutsu is the missing element that make Mukoton possible. I think Hashi's cells gather nature energy naturally. No pun intended.

the mukuton was affected by naruto's yang chakra radiation.. all it needs is nutricion and yin/yang chakra.. 'tis the truth ^.^

 

[H a n]

Hm.. Gotta see some water style then..

 

[osba]

Hm.. Gotta see some water style then..

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[Draxus]

the mukuton was affected by naruto's yang chakra radiation.. all it needs is nutricion and yin/yang chakra.. 'tis the truth ^.^

Tis your theory

 

[osba]

Tis your theory

no.. it's truth that mukuton grows if it comes in contact with yin/yang energy.. my theory however is wether or not it works the same as the aburame clan, with your body being the host for the mukuton

 

[Draxus]

no.. it's truth that mukuton grows if it comes in contact with yin/yang energy.. my theory however is wether or not it works the same as the aburame clan, with your body being the host for the mukuton

No, in order for it to be truth it would have to had been stated in the manga, further more all chakra had yin/yang energy so your basically saying contact with any ones chakra based attack would make it grow.

 

[Meowazziel]

No, in order for it to be truth it would have to had been stated in the manga, further more all chakra had yin/yang energy so your basically saying contact with any ones chakra based attack would make it grow.

Some people are more focussed on yin and some more on yang.
Senju is more on yang, Uchiha more on yin for example.

 

[Draxus]

Some people are more focussed on yin and some more on yang.
Senju is more on yang, Uchiha more on yin for example.

Got any proof of this or this just a theory based on the younger son/elder son mythos?

Either way it doesn't change my point that all chakra attacks have both yin and yang. So I like my theory better.

 

[Meowazziel]

Got any proof of this or this just a theory based on the younger son/elder son mythos?

Either way it doesn't change my point that all chakra attacks have both yin and yang. So I like my theory better.

I dont deny what you say. All chakras have yin and yang, but obviously you can have a stronger yin or stronger yang.

The second mizukage said he was a yin type. If his yang is exactly as strong, than that wouldnt make sense right? That he wouldnt be a yin type.

We know that the senju ancestor was given strong yang energy and the uchiha ancestor strong yin energy.
Senju ancestor has yin and Yang and Uchiha ancestor as well. But you can specialise or have a stronger yin or yang. If both their yin and yang were exactly as good, why would the manga talk about one being given the strong yang energy and the other the yin?

Naruto characters have both yin and yang, but you can be stronger with one of the two, while still having both.

 

[Draxus]

I dont deny what you say. All chakras have yin and yang, but obviously you can have a stronger yin or stronger yang.

The second mizukage said he was a yin type. If his yang is exactly as strong, than that wouldnt make sense right? That he wouldnt be a yin type.

We know that the senju ancestor was given strong yang energy and the uchiha ancestor strong yin energy.
Senju ancestor has yin and Yang and Uchiha ancestor as well. But you can specialise or have a stronger yin or yang. If both their yin and yang were exactly as good, why would the manga talk about one being given the strong yang energy and the other the yin?

Naruto characters have both yin and yang, but you can be stronger with one of the two, while still having both.

I get that, but again. How does that change what I said about the hole in his theory. All chakra has yin/yang in it and hashi's cell reacted to Naruto's chakra (more yang) and the Uchia chakra Danzo was using (more yin).

 

[AzR]

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kishi has yet soooo many more to clarify to us... he's in debt to us all

 

[FearxDeath]

1) All jutsu require both Yin/Yang Energies

2) Yamato doesnt lack Yang Energy?

3) Naruto makes plants grow not because of his chakra but because of his imbalance of chakra, in KCM he has only yang energy with no yin to balance it out. Yin = Spiritual and Yang = Life force, the near by tree's and wood feeds on this abundance life force and grow from it. If Naruto were to recieve Kurama;s yin half from Minato then this would no longer happen.

If anything you have it mixed up, Water and Earth are used to create the wood, Yin is used to control it, and Yang is used to make it grow.

 

[osba]

1) All jutsu require both Yin/Yang Energies

2) Yamato doesnt lack Yang Energy?

3) Naruto makes plants grow not because of his chakra but because of his imbalance of chakra, in KCM he has only yang energy with no yin to balance it out. Yin = Spiritual and Yang = Life force, the near by tree's and wood feeds on this abundance life force and grow from it. If Naruto were to recieve Kurama;s yin half from Minato then this would no longer happen.

If anything you have it mixed up, Water and Earth are used to create the wood, Yin is used to control it, and Yang is used to make it grow.

1: true, but the amount varies and this is not really a jutsu imo.. more of a growing thingy
2: yamato does lack yang energy, 'tis why he couldn't make his mukuton actually live and sprout flowers etc..
3: it has been shown that the yang was what gave yamato's mukuton life.. yin is merely used to control what it does.. if you have yin like yamato you can make it grow wherever you want it to grow but if you have yang you could actually breathe life into it.
you are looking at it the wrong way.. see mukuton as a plant and then it makes sence.. don't look at it like it's a jutsu.
i know that kakashi said it that way.. but that could have just as good been to make it simpler to understand for naruto..
if it was merely a jutsu, the cells shouldn't have just taken over bodies like hashirama's did...

 

[Draxus]

you are looking at it the wrong way.. see mukuton as a plant and then it makes sence.. don't look at it like it's a jutsu.
i know that kakashi said it that way.. but that could have just as good been to make it simpler to understand for naruto..
if it was merely a jutsu, the cells shouldn't have just taken over bodies like hashirama's did...

Don't confuse Hashi's cells with his release, they aren't the same thing.

Hashirama's cells take over because they absorb too much nature energy and turn the person into a tree. Just like too much natural energy could turn naruto into a toad then stone.