Official 4th Data Book

[GOD2U]

I can see you adjusted Kakashi's speed, but his Taijutsu still needs to be corrected. He has had a 4.5 since DB2, which was around the Chuunin Exams in Part I, so it makes no sense to downgrade him to a 4 after hes shown the ability to tango with the likes of Dojutsu enhanced V2 Jinchuuriki.

His Genjutsu may also need a boost after he has shown the ability to contend with Obito's Genjutsu.

All right. Thanks for the input. It helps make it as accurate as possible.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol this might sound like I'm wanking but Obitos taijutsu is on par with kakashi the taijutsu battle with him ended in a draw there both wounded and Kakashi is top ten in taijutsu.

 

[Black Wolf]

It didn't really end in a draw. Kakashi was kicking Obito around throughout the entire fight, and in the end, Kakashi only got stabbed in the shoulder (which was only due to the fact that Obito can spawn surprise rods from his hand) while Obito got his chest caved in. Kakashi received a survivable wound whereas Obito received a lethal one.

 

[Trollasaur]

It didn't really end in a draw. Kakashi was kicking Obito around throughout the entire fight, and in the end, Kakashi only got stabbed in the shoulder (which was only due to the fact that Obito can spawn surprise rods from his hand) while Obito got his chest caved in. Kakashi received a survivable wound whereas Obito received a lethal one.

Obito was tired AF, and Kakashi had many breaks, and Kakashi was stabbed on the side. And guess what. Kakashi is now dying in kamuiland

 

[Black Wolf]

Obito was tired AF, and Kakashi had many breaks, and Kakashi was stabbed on the side. And guess what. Kakashi is now dying in kamuiland

Kakashi didn't have "many breaks," and he entered the war an entire day before Obito did. If anything, Obito was given a break when he was chilling on the 10 tails as the rest of the alliance was attempting to slow down its progress.

Who said Kakashi is dying? For all he knows, he left Obito left for dead thus felt no need to pursue him to the real world. He's just resting in the other dimension. A shoulder wound is not lethal - he took a similar injury against Pain.

 

[Trollasaur]

Kakashi didn't have "many breaks," and he entered the war an entire day before Obito did. If anything, Obito was given a break when he was chilling on the 10 tails as the rest of the alliance was attempting to slow down its progress.

Who said Kakashi is dying? For all he knows, he left Obito left for dead thus felt no need to pursue him to the real world. He's just resting in the other dimension. A shoulder wound is not lethal - he took a similar injury against Pain.

He was stabbed in the side, and also Kakashi had many chakara replinishes.

 

[Black Wolf]

He was stabbed in the side, and also Kakashi had many chakara replinishes.

Yeah, and what were those chakra replenishments used for? Warping the Hachibi in and out of the Kamui dimension in a direct effort to combat the ten tails (not Obito)? Fighting the ten tails attacks alongside the entire alliance (again, not Obito)?

Its not like Kakashi was fighting Obito, got replenished, continued fighting Obito again, and got replenished. The chakra he got from the replenishments were all wasted against the Juubi. His Kyuubi cloak also disappeared upon entering the Kamui dimension, so he wasn't getting boosted by that either.

 

[Trollasaur]

Yeah, and what were those chakra replenishments used for? Warping the Hachibi in and out of the Kamui dimension in a direct effort to combat the ten tails (not Obito)? Fighting the ten tails attacks alongside the entire alliance (again, not Obito)?

Its not like Kakashi was fighting Obito, got replenished, fought Obito again, and got replenished. The chakra he got from the replenishments were all wasted against the Juubi. His Kyuubi cloak also disappeared upon entering the Kamui dimension, so he wasn't getting boosted by that either.

When he fought Obito he was at full chakara, and he was healed completley.

Kakashi was fighting a weak fatiuged obito.

 

[Black Wolf]

When he fought Obito he was at full chakara, and he was healed completley.

He was not at full chakra. The Kyuubi cloak Naruto gave him disappeared completely upon his entrance to the other dimension. He looked just as exhausted as Obito did. There were no implications that Kakashi had some sort of advantage in stamina. The only advantage Kakashi had was that Obito was unable to phase with Kamui.

I can agree his injuries were healed since Sakura was seen tending to his wounds (keep in mind he had gotten his abdomen sliced against Zabuza, so he was already injured from before Obito hit him with those shuriken), but Obito had no physical injuries to speak of either, and any he sustained were healed by Zetsu DNA regardless.

 

[Trollasaur]

He was not at full chakra. The Kyuubi cloak Naruto gave him disappeared completely upon his entrance to the other dimension. He looked just as exhausted as Obito did. There were no implications that Kakashi had some sort of advantage in stamina. The only advantage Kakashi had was that Obito was unable to phase with Kamui.

I can agree his injuries were healed since Sakura was seen tending to his wounds (keep in mind he had gotten his abdomen sliced against Zabuza, so he was already injured from before Obito hit him with those shuriken), but Obito had no physical injuries to speak of either, and any he sustained were healed by Zetsu DNA regardless.

There's still no denying that in the battle they were both wounded, Kakashi was sliced by Obitos shurkien, Kurama healed that, He was also using Kamui alot, Kuarama also healed that. Obito had no sort of recovry at all, he was battling for two straight days, while keeping bijjus in his control.

 

[Black Wolf]

There's still no denying that in the battle they were both wounded, Kakashi was sliced by Obitos shurkien, Kurama healed that, He was also using Kamui alot, Kuarama also healed that. Obito had no sort of recovry at all, he was battling for two straight days, while keeping bijjus in his control.

They were both wounded, but you'd have to be deliberately stubborn if you're going to insist that getting your chest cavity blown apart (probably sustaining significant heart and lung damage) is equal to getting a shoulder / side wound. Obito's injury was by far more severe.

And, again, all of Kakashi's recoveries were wasted against the ten tails. If I fight you and lose most of my HP, then get healed but get injured fighting someone else before I come back to fight you, you can't say "you got healed" because I'm back to the same state I was fighting you to begin with.

So yeah, Kurama gave Kakashi some chakra for Kamui, but he wasted all that chakra in one go when he teleported the Hachibi. Yeah Kurama gave him chakra again, but it completely disappeared when he went into the Kamui dimension. And as I've said earlier, Kakashi was fighting an entire day before Obito did so by the time he entered to fight the V2 Jins, he was no longer fresh meaning he was at a disadvantage from the get-go.

 

[deidara senpai]

this is not official

1. madara would not have a 4.5 in taijutsu it would undoubtably be 5 did you see what he did 2 episodes ago
2. kakashi having a stamina level of 4.5 is a joke at most and i mean AT MOST it should be 3
3. if this obito is pre juubito, what has he shown of speed being a 5??

thats just some of it also these are just the mains

 

[Black Wolf]

2. kakashi having a stamina level of 4.5 is a joke at most and i mean AT MOST it should be 3

Kakashi has had a 3 since DB1, so you can't say "at most" as if you're being generous with your logic or something. Kakashi's stamina feats in the current war are insane. While I agree a 4.5 is pushing it, a 3.5 or a 4 is easily within the realm of reason.

 

[Trollasaur]

They were both wounded, but you'd have to be deliberately stubborn if you're going to insist that getting your chest cavity blown apart (probably sustaining significant heart and lung damage) is equal to getting a shoulder / side wound. Obito's injury was by far more severe.

And, again, all of Kakashi's recoveries were wasted against the ten tails. If I fight you and lose most of my HP, then get healed but get injured fighting someone else before I come back to fight you, you can't say "you got healed" because I'm back to the same state I was fighting you to begin with.

So yeah, Kurama gave Kakashi some chakra for Kamui, but he wasted all that chakra in one go when he teleported the Hachibi. Yeah Kurama gave him chakra again, but it completely disappeared when he went into the Kamui dimension. And as I've said earlier, Kakashi was fighting an entire day before Obito did so by the time he entered to fight the V2 Jins, he was no longer fresh meaning he was at a disadvantage from the get-go.

It was Kakashis ration which even made the huge cavity in Obitos chest, hell Kakashi got stabbed in the side and he looked like he was in worse condition lol, Kuarama regenerated his chakara and wounds you can't deny that.

 

[Black Wolf]

It was Kakashis ration which even made the huge cavity in Obitos chest

And it was Obito's surprise Rinnegan chakra rod randomly sprouting from his hand that managed to hit Kakashi.

I'm not sure what this has anything to do with the situation, though. Kakashi hit Obito square in the chest, a vital location, whereas Obito hit Kakashi in a non-lethal location.

Kuarama regenerated his chakara and wounds you can't deny that.

Stop regurgitating the same line.

Yes, Kurama gave him chakra. How does this support your argument or apply in any way to the battle he had against Obito when he wasted all of that chakra against the ten tails? The chakra Kurama gave him played little to no role in his fight with Obito because by that time he had already expended all of it against the ten tails or lost it upon entry to Kamui.

 

[Trollasaur]

And it was Obito's surprise Rinnegan chakra rod randomly sprouting from his hand that managed to hit Kakashi.

I'm not sure what this has anything to do with the situation, though. Kakashi hit Obito square in the chest, a vital location, whereas Obito hit Kakashi in a non-lethal location.



Stop regurgitating the same line.

Yes, Kurama gave him chakra. How does this support your argument or apply in any way to the battle he had against Obito when he wasted all of that chakra against the ten tails? The chakra Kurama gave him played little to no role in his fight with Obito because by that time he had already expended all of it against the ten tails or lost it upon entry to Kamui.

His Chakara just doesn't disapear yes Kuaram stoped giving him chakara but he still kept the chakara he had from kurama, kuarama gave kakashi chakara AFTER he atempted to kamui the Jubi.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi got chakra on two occasions - once was when Naruto hurled Kakashi into Obito's dimension to attack him from there (when he punched Obito in the stomach). Kakashi wasted that entire chakra handout when he warped the Hachibi and then warped him back out at the ten tails. His second chakra boost was in the form of the V1 chakra cloak. That chakra cloak immediately disappeared when he entered the Kamui dimension, implying its effects were no longer active.

 

[Trollasaur]

Kakashi got chakra on two occasions - once was when Naruto hurled Kakashi into Obito's dimension to attack him from there (when he punched Obito in the stomach). Kakashi wasted that entire chakra handout when he warped the Hachibi and then warped him back out at the ten tails. His second chakra boost was in the form of the V1 chakra cloak. That chakra cloak immediately disappeared when he entered the Kamui dimension, implying its effects were no longer active.

Kuarama stopped providing chakara when he left the real world, he still kept kuaramas chakara though.

 

[Black Wolf]

That is subjective, at best. The fact that the cloak disappeared implied to me he no longer had the chakra boost.

And as I said earlier, Kakashi was fighting a full day against the swordsmen and other Edo ninja before Obito began fighting, so if anything, he deserves any chakra he wasted prior to the time Obito entered the battlefield if you're trying to be fair.

 

[Trollasaur]

That is subjective, at best. The fact that the cloak disappeared implied to me he no longer had the chakra boost.

And as I said earlier, Kakashi was fighting a full day against the swordsmen and other Edo ninja before Obito began fighting, so if anything, he deserves any chakra he wasted prior to the time Obito entered the battlefield if you're trying to be fair.

And Obito was fighting 2 perfect jins and two Kage ranked ninja and was controling six bijju with not a single break.....