Sandaime kazekage isn't THAT impressive

[AGoodBoy]

I agree that he faced fodder but I believe it wasn't the shinobi rank or skill that killed him it was just that he was so exhausted from killing constant waves of shinobi for three days straight that he just gave out and a couple of highly skilled shinobi finished him off.

but that's also my point... Even exhaution doesn't make sense. The average shinobi can't even last 12 hours of fight. Look at SA vs juubi. After a few mins/hours Entire SA is exhausted and needed recovery.

The guy could fight for 3 days.. after 2 daays, there shouldnt be an opponent that could life their kunai, let alone kill him. We've seen young need breeze through fodder in a matter of minutes/hours. For a kage shinobi, 9.9k fodder should be absolutely nothing difficult to do.

Muu could wipe out 9.9k shinobi in a few hits with massive jintons.
Gaara Could wipe out a few thousand shinobi at a time with just a desert coffin.

The guy not only fought for 3 days for some absurd reason, but he also couldn't win and couldn't escape? That's really not that impressive.

 

[grizzlyshree]

but that's also my point... Even exhaution doesn't make sense. The average shinobi can't even last 12 hours of fight. Look at SA vs juubi. After a few mins/hours Entire SA is exhausted and needed recovery.

The guy could fight for 3 days.. after 2 daays, there shouldnt be an opponent that could life their kunai, let alone kill him. We've seen young need breeze through fodder in a matter of minutes/hours. For a kage shinobi, 9.9k fodder should be absolutely nothing difficult to do.

Muu could wipe out 9.9k shinobi in a few hits with massive jintons.
Gaara Could wipe out a few thousand shinobi at a time with just a desert coffin.

The guy not only fought for 3 days for some absurd reason, but he also couldn't win and couldn't escape? That's really not that impressive.

but can any hokage do this feat other than Hashi?

 

[Ababeel]

Re: Sandaime Raikage isn't THAT impressive

This is in reference to the fact that he fought 10000 ninja for 3 days.

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1. Defeated hundreds to thousands of Km0 naruto clones
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3. Didn't try
4. didn't break a sweat

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1. defeated hundreds, If not thousands of shinobi
2. didn't take a single hit
3. didn't fight to kill
4. didn't break a sweat
5. took less than 24 hours (he doesn't have stamina to even last that long)

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1. Wiped out an entire clan - hundreds of people
2. Second strongest clan in history
3. Clan full of highly skilled, battle-adept shinobi from konoha police, etc. - jounin+
4. Itachi was no more than 16, if even that close
5. Took one night - less than 8 hours

Now, I understand that these aren't 10k Shinobi, but as we can see, no one in that list even took 12 hours to kill hundreds/thousands of shinobi. Some of the people in this list even defeated highly skilled opponents who'd give the average jounin some trouble.

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To defeat 10k fodder shinobi. At best there were a handful of actually skilled opponents among them. No village has 10k highly skilled shinobi. That's even worse when you understand that he could 1 shot the average ninja with his finger, while not being fazed in the slightest by even some of the strongest attacks. Not even a team of 10 highly skilled jounin could injure this guy, and he's also shown that

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against him, yet 10k shinobi took him out? If he was really that impressive, those 10k shinobi would all be dead by 3 days. Naruto is kage level in the war, but only 'killed' him due to massive intel(talking to hachibi to understand scar, learn about his shield and spear, etc), which means that not even a kage level shinobi should be able to take him out on normal circumstances.

The average kage can't even last 24 hours of fighting, so even if there was a kage on the other team, they'd be exhausted as all ****. To even have comrades with him -- sure, they didn't fight since he was letting them escape. Don't see why they couldn't -- and yet lose to only that number of fodder... He should have been able to kill them all or escape.


Even Tobirama's feat of dying to 20 highly skilled bounty hunters was more impressive. At least he died to 20 jounin to S-Class shinobi. Not a platoon of useless nin and a handful of decent ones.

The third raikage dying to 10k nin isn't that impressive. For all we know, he only killed 5.
The only way this is even remotely impressive is if he was up against konoha and Tobirama, his squad, and an army of uchiha + senju were on the team.

1- it's still Naruto and he's still 1 person.
2- defeating those does not = fighting fodders from a great Nation I suppose.
3- it was clear they weren't even fighting. lol
it does not prove anything because THEY allowed him to kill them.

 

[Mellanoma]

3rd Raikage Took a Rasenshuriken point blank and got up like it was a punch from ten ten /thread

 

[Exaar]

Umm what? I even said there'd be a handful of skilled ninja. Are you implying there were 10k jounin+ nin? Lmfao what village is this. not even konoha has 30+ skilled shinobi between their sannin, anbu, and jounin. 9970 fodder and at most 30 jounin, oooooh, impressive. Rasenshuriken couldn't faze him, but i'm sure that army had a bunch of tbb tossing shinobi.

It only took 20 Elites (Jonins) to kill tobirama, Who was second in line to the most powerful clan in the manga, This was even with the 2nd raikages help.
Yet the 3rd raikage took 9970 Fodders alone with say 30 or so Jonin/Elites.

A <18 year old defeating 1000 chunnin+ clone in under 10 minutes

THe numbers Kimi faced was hard to count, it was more like a couple of hundred, Even so if it was 1000 it moves more it Kimi's favours, Since the more clones naruto makes the weaker Km0 Cloak will be due to him diving chakra 1000 Times.
Plus we have no time indicator on how fast Kimi defeated them.

A 16 year old defeating(without killing) 1000+ chunnin+ nin in possibly no more than 2 hours

Two Hours?, You based that on what exactly?, What makes you think he didn't spend like Half a day or so fighting them?.
As for there being 1000 Shinobi, Where does it state the number of the shinobi he defeated?.

A 14 year old and 20 something year old wiping out the second strongest clan in history in less than 1 night

Again, Both Itachi and Obito did it during the night as to surprise them, Sasuke himself said Itachi could not of done it alone, Let alone Doing it in a straight up fight.

A Kage -- the strongest ninja in his village - struggling so much against 10k nin that he inevitably dies. What's worse is that it took 3 days.

Killing an Army isn't easy, Even if your a chakra monster. Since it was basically an Army before him, It's safe to assume that army was also assisted by strategists/Ambush squads/Medical squads/Ninjutsu users/Gen and Taijutsu and so on.

We know nothing of that battle, In the first day the 3rd could've ripped that army a new hole, killing thousands, Since the battle did indeed go on for 3days and nights i think it's safe to assume those 10k took a big hit to their numbers over that time.

 

[TheEvilOne]

It only took 20 Elites (Jonins) to kill tobirama, Who was second in line to the most powerful clan in the manga, This was even with the 2nd raikages help.
Yet the 3rd raikage took 9970 Fodders alone with say 30 or so Jonin/Elites.

What makes you think the KinGin brothers were there when Tobirama was killed?
And what makes you think the 3rd Raikage was able to deal with them? Probably he didn't even killed 1000. He just survived for three days due to his stamina.

 

[Exaar]

What makes you think the KinGin brothers were there when Tobirama was killed?
And what makes you think the 3rd Raikage was able to deal with them? Probably he didn't even killed 1000. He just survived for three days due to his stamina.

The fact it took an Army 3 days and nights to take down one man Proves my point that he was able to "Deal" them even with their overwhelming numbers.

Plus here even naruto said the 3rds hell stab is way to powerful and that he took out dozens of people in an instant and that was only with 3 fingers.

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[AGoodBoy]

1- it's still Naruto and he's still 1 person.
2- defeating those does not = fighting fodders from a great Nation I suppose.
3- it was clear they weren't even fighting. lol
it does not prove anything because THEY allowed him to kill them.

1. Well shit you're missing the point.
2. Well shit you're missing the point. Fodder is fodder no matter what nation. Oro's sound lackies are far stronger than any great nation's fodder. He only picks the cream of the crop, hence why his 'sound 5' a bunch of teenagers could pretty much go toe to toe( didn't say they'd always win before you put words in my mouth) with almost all konoha shinobi bar kakashi and a sannin.
3. Wait what? The entire uchiha clan wanted itachi and some random masked 'fodder'(as far as they know) to kill them? Only itachi's parents let him kill them. Just about everyone in uchiha police hated itachi and everyone else was suspicious of him. I don't know where you found the 'clear' fact that they weren't fighting. But, you're still missing the point.

3rd Raikage Took a Rasenshuriken point blank and got up like it was a punch from ten ten /thread

Exactly, and he lost to 9.9k+ fodder. Explain that.

It only took 20 Elites (Jonins) to kill tobirama, Who was second in line to the most powerful clan in the manga, This was even with the 2nd raikages help.
Yet the 3rd raikage took 9970 Fodders alone with say 30 or so Jonin/Elites.
Wait what? The second raikage never helped tobirama kill shit. 2nd hokage got fodderized by kin and gin. That was a completely different incident. Even if you try to say tobirama died to kin and gin, that's 2 psuedo-jinchuriki. They're basically an army on their own. Anyway, it was 20 Elite Hunter Nin. That's pretty much like anbu. They specialize in killing. Tobirama didn't die to 20 jounin. He died to 20 high classed shinobi - basically like being killed by Itachi, kakashi, yamato, foo, torune, and 15 other genius nin bred for assassination. You make it sound like he died to a squad of asuma.



THe numbers Kimi faced was hard to count, it was more like a couple of hundred, Even so if it was 1000 it moves more it Kimi's favours, Since the more clones naruto makes the weaker Km0 Cloak will be due to him diving chakra 1000 Times.
Plus we have no time indicator on how fast Kimi defeated them.
Yea, kimi took 2 days to kill them while dying of disease. Then fought lee for another 3 days, and finally took gaara on for a week. The time never changed just because. He clearly raped them quickly considering the other sound 4 weren't even through with the fight yet while he was raping through naruto. The point isn't how much power each clone had. It's the fact that fodder is fodder and he neg diff raped roughly 1k fodder. And that's without using his enhanced defence and attack. Raikage showed in the war that he can kill 20 fodder with 1 finger, so he should kill 9.99k fodder in less than 12 hours. He should just be running through them all with his finger and black lightning considering none of them should be able to hurt him. The fact that nbot even an S-class jutsu can damage him, makes his feat of dying to 10k fodder less impressive.



Two Hours?, You based that on what exactly?, What makes you think he didn't spend like Half a day or so fighting them?.
You ever seen sasuke fight that long? Especially without panting and breaking a sweat? He could hardly last against 2.5stamina itachi, but he'd fight for half a day without breaking a sweat or anything? LoL. Clearly it wasn't long. Maybe not even 2 hours.
As for there being 1000 Shinobi, Where does it state the number of the shinobi he defeated?.
You may not have noticed, but i added pictures to the people's names. If you click on 'sasuke' in the OP. You'd see nin everywhere, even towards the hillside. It's far more than 100 nin there. You can even try to count, and that's not even showing all the nin he killed.




Again, Both Itachi and Obito did it during the night as to surprise them, Sasuke himself said Itachi could not of done it alone, Let alone Doing it in a straight up fight.
Because a surprise attack means no resistance. A pile of bodies laying in the street would alert people and they'd be spotted eventually. Even if you want to disregard this example, I can always show you the scan of muu saying 'numbers don't matter against my jinton'. He'd wipe out a few hundred fodder in a strike. Or, how about obito who could kill a few hundred SA nin with banfu if not for naruto's cloak. Or maybe madara wiping through fodder with a few swings of a sword. Of course I won't use madara as an example seeing as wiping out 5 kage is tantamount to wiping out all of SA anyway.




Killing an Army isn't easy, Even if your a chakra monster. Since it was basically an Army before him, It's safe to assume that army was also assisted by strategists/Ambush squads/Medical squads/Ninjutsu users/Gen and Taijutsu and so on.
3 days of fighting. He couldn't even escape. There's no way his team needed 3 days to run ahead else the army could simply walk around the guy. The fact that he fought to death for 3 days means he couldn't win or escape. A lot of other kage could have at least escape such a scenario.
Well, we've never seen any army with a medical squad except for konoha. Even tsunade said something like she created medical nin/made it better after dan died. Can't remember correctly but they didn't even have medical ninjutsu back then/good enough medical ninjutsu. But, please tell me what those ninjutsu and genjutsu users could do. Genjutsu users could paralyse him and...? Ninjutsu users could...? Taijutsu users? Lol you kidding me? Did you even remember that the guy is fast as ****? The average, even above average person can't keep up with him. Not even someone of itachi or kakashi's calibre can keep up with him if they turned the sharingan off. He'd have to be up against a platoon of Sage mode and sharingan users for them to even be able to 'taijutsu' him rofl. raiton is weak to fuuton, and even then an S-class move couldn't faze him. WTf was he fighting? 9998 suna nin, shishui and shukaku?

We know nothing of that battle, In the first day the 3rd could've ripped that army a new hole, killing thousands, Since the battle did indeed go on for 3days and nights i think it's safe to assume those 10k took a big hit to their numbers over that time.
Or, it could be that raikage barely killed anyone as it takes less than 12 hours to kill 9k fodder. Infact, it's safer to assume that the fight lasted 3 days only because they couldn't figure out how to injure the guy. The opposing team probably blasted him away in turn keeping him busy for 3 days. People rested and others took over etc, until he died of exhaution or the strategists found out how to kill him. If 10k shinobi couldn't kill him, 1k will? If he ripped them a new hole by the first day, they should have lost by the second. If he can fight for 3 days; With exhaution, lowered numbers, and no way of injuring him, that army would have no possible way to win.

What makes you think the KinGin brothers were there when Tobirama was killed?
And what makes you think the 3rd Raikage was able to deal with them? Probably he didn't even killed 1000. He just survived for three days due to his stamina.

exactly.

 

[Exaar]

For the 2nd raikage, I'm sure it was stated some where but i cba to hunt for the scan so i went to Naruto Wiki During his tenure, the Second Raikage entered Kumogakure into a formal alliance with Konohagakure. During the ceremony, both he, and the Second Hokage were ambushed by the Gold and Silver Brothers,

The 3rd raikage most likely didn't have the chakra to run through all 10,000 People, You forget an Army is normally well organized, Simply running towards an Army with your finger isn't going to get you anywhere when surrounded by 10,000 People spamming Nin/Gen/Taijutsu techs. Might not of been able to hurt him, But enough to slow him down even a little.
He Obviously died to not having enough stamina to maintain his lightning armor, Even though they couldn't hurt him, Keeping Lightning armor up while Using Hell stab spam, Dodging attacks and most likely not being allowed to take a breather/Rest takes a huge tole on him. You also seem to expect him to be Killing about 1k Shinobi an Hour, There is a thing called chakra/Stamina that Limits every shinobi.

He wasn't panting no, But sasuke loves his tough guy act, Even though he was basically out of chakra against deidara he wasn't panting, Nor was he after using all his chakra for the katon attack against itachi, Nor after the battle against danzo when obito He won't be able to bluff it much longer.
Also The pic you linked with sasuke's name doesn't state the number of people defeated, I can see all the bodies, But from what i see theres most likely a couple of hundred not 1000.


Yes Itachi/Obito were spotted eventually, But itachi knows the clan it's simpe tatic's to go after the stronger fighters first and leave the weaklings untill last.
Also from what we had seen, There were only a handful of people dead on the street, Implying most were killed in their own homes Sleeping or doing what uchiha do after dark.

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Also i'm not getting where you getting "it takes 12hours to till 10k" crap from. This is from what? You assuming it took sasuke 2hours or less to defeat all the shinobi?, Or Kimi doing it in 10mins?

 

[Neonian]

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