It makes sense that Kakashi defeated Obito:

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Let's see what Obito had against him?

1. They were in the Kamui world, if Obito tried to phase out he'd get attacked in the real world.

2. Kakashi was obito's ultimate Counter. Obito is too leniant on his Kamui, and that's what he trained most in.

3. Obito's wood style maybe strong, but Kakashi's more versatile. Even if Obito used wood style, lightning style jutsu could prbably destroy it. Seeing how Obito's wood style is at best stronger than Yamato's and Zetsu's (Part zetsu); nothing compared to Madara or Hashrirama's mokuton. Sasuke was able to use lightning release to protect himself from Minato with ease.

4. His rinnegan is inexperienced. To me, it would seem like he only got rinnegan for the control of the biju. For what we know, maybe he can't use it even close to Nagato could?

5. Obito has fought Naruto, Gai, Kakashi, Killer B, and the rest of the alliance (with Madara and the JUbi's help). For all we know, he might not have enough chakra to use much more jutsu with a lot of chakra (example; wood and rinnegan techniques take a lot of chakra). He could've been saving his last rinnegan technique for Madara.

6. Obito couldn't use Izanagi, because the onl;y sharingan he had is his Kamui one. If he used that, he couldn't get out of the Kamui world.

7. People of Konoha have already dealt with the rinnegan, so they may have come up with plans to go against it.

No what all of this adds up to? Obito with only use of one eye and just a tiny bit of chakra (not enought to use many rinnegan techniques or Mokuton). KONAN almost killed ms Obito WITH Izanagi. Take Izanagi and ms out and Add Kakashi as his ultimite counter= One sharingan Obito.

Any Kage level Ninja can defeat Obito who can't use Izanagi, Rinnegan, Kamui, or wood style. And he still put up a decent fight.
 
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Who said it didn't? A big factor in Obito's strength was Kamui, which Kakashi has as well, so..
 

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I think people underestimate Kakashi in a big way after the Pain fight... It's no surprise he won
 

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I think obito didn't realized his powers. If he did then it will be tough fight for kakashi cuz obito have rinnegan and we all know what rinnegan can do :scorps:
 

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of course it makes sense that Kakashi beat Obito . . . Obito was simply overrated
 
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I am actually pretty angry about the way the fight took place. I mean even after all these years it seems that obito didn't learn sh*t. I mean he gets rinnegan for Gods sake. you'd hope he would be defeated in a better manner. :rage:
 

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He could read mind w/ the rinnengan and soul rip w/ it. It makes no sense at all obito didn't use it all yet he have it. You can't assume kakashi can counter moktun or say obito is inexperience w/ d rinnengan wen he can control bijjuu somethin nagato couldn't do. It makes no sense. It screams plot induced stupidity
 

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oh yeah,**** you.next you'll be trying to justify that it makes sense that tenten defeated madara,if it happens...
 

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Well he does have Rinnegan :|
 

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oh yeah,**** you.next you'll be trying to justify that it makes sense that tenten defeated madara,if it happens...

No thank you. I don't like you like that. Anyway, the only reason it happened is because of what I've already said.

He could read mind w/ the rinnengan and soul rip w/ it. It makes no sense at all obito didn't use it all yet he have it. You can't assume kakashi can counter moktun or say obito is inexperience w/ d rinnengan wen he can control bijjuu somethin nagato couldn't do. It makes no sense. It screams plot induced stupidity

Like I said, Obito had run out of chakra and people of Konoha have probably already made plans on how to fight the rinnegan after pain.

Well he does have Rinnegan :|

You didn't read the whole post did you?
 

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Kakashi was Obito's kryptonite,no surpise he won
nc thread.
 

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this is my post from another thread.. it does make sense kakashi could win...

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for me,its the quick thinking from kakashi and a some erroneous move from obito,the situation does not favors him..

in 1 on 1 situation in the real world, obito definitely have the upper hand on kakashi, kakashi's trump card tech, kamui is useless against someone who actually use kamui as stated by obito himself in the previous meeting where sasuke met kakashi,naruto and sakura after sasuke battled danzo... (ohh yeah,sakura tried to solo and failed :p ),

but there were a whole bunch of army out there, so its definitely risky for obito because with that sheer numbers they definitely have the advantage, plus kakashi had the kyuubi chakra, so he can spam those kamui like shiz and properly counter obito...

thats why he let himself being pull in by obito and told naruto to handle by himself because that's only way to negate the use of kamui(being transparent) and lecture him of course...

yeah... we can say obito didnt use his rinnegan ability,mokuton and so on... we can also question,where the hell is that kyuubi cloak gone after obito sucked him anyway?... with that,kakashi can give a hell of a fight in kamui world,in fact may defeat obito easily..

i respected kakashi because his a slick son of a b*tch.. many people underrated him.. he's a type that analyse opponents ability, when he gain intel, he'll execute some countermeasures appropriate with the situations... so, he does have A LOT OF INTEL of obito, plus he is a friend of him so expect kakashi to pull off something... "
 

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Let's see what Obito had against him?

1. They were in the Kamui world, if Obito tried to phase out he'd get attacked in the real world.

2. Kakashi was obito's ultimate Counter. Obito is too leniant on his Kamui, and that's what he trained most in.

3. Obito's wood style maybe strong, but Kakashi's more versatile. Even if Obito used wood style, lightning style jutsu could prbably destroy it. Seeing how Obito's wood style is at best stronger than Yamato's and Zetsu's (Part zetsu); nothing compared to Madara or Hashrirama's mokuton. Sasuke was able to use lightning release to protect himself from Minato with ease.

4. His rinnegan is inexperienced. To me, it would seem like he only got rinnegan for the control of the biju. For what we know, maybe he can't use it even close to Nagato could?

5. Obito has fought Naruto, Gai, Kakashi, Killer B, and the rest of the alliance (with Madara and the JUbi's help). For all we know, he might not have enough chakra to use much more jutsu with a lot of chakra (example; wood and rinnegan techniques take a lot of chakra). He could've been saving his last rinnegan technique for Madara.

6. Obito couldn't use Izanagi, because the onl;y sharingan he had is his Kamui one. If he used that, he couldn't get out of the Kamui world.

7. People of Konoha have already dealt with the rinnegan, so they may have come up with plans to go against it.

No what all of this adds up to? Obito with only use of one eye and just a tiny bit of chakra (not enought to use many rinnegan techniques or Mokuton). KONAN almost killed ms Obito WITH Izanagi. Take Izanagi and ms out and Add Kakashi as his ultimite counter= One sharingan Obito.

Any Kage level Ninja can defeat Obito who can't use Izanagi, Rinnegan, Kamui, or wood style. And he still put up a decent fight.

These are not personal and no offence, man.

1- There is no proof. We have no idea, where body part will appear. Overlapping idea is not logical. There are a lot of plot that jutsu.

2- Kakashi uses Kamui's new ability like Obito almost 30 min. maybe 45 min. I'm sure he is the master. (plot)

3- Why can't we compare his level with Madara ? He has been living that android body for years and became as one. You still think Madara better Mokuton user than Obito ? Yeah...

4- & 5 - There is another plot. If he uses Rinnegan, there is no war. And chakra excuse is another lame thing. Why did he spend his chakra to use Jinchuriki and Why didn't he spend Biju chakra to use Rinnegan ?

6- Izanagi makes idea real, does it ? Why can't he imagine to out of his dimension himself. Forget about Kamui cuz he'll become Jinchuuriki.

Do you remember Rikudo Sennin Ying-Yang power ? I hope you can...

7- I really really wonder what would happen, If Obito used Bansho Ten'in. I'm sure every shinobi can resist Bansho Ten'in and Shinra Tensei. (Especially, Bansho Ten'in)

Sorry, man. I did not buy this bullshit. These are just for teenagers not for people who use their mind.

Anyway, fu*k me, right ?
 
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He could read mind w/ the rinnengan and soul rip w/ it. It makes no sense at all obito didn't use it all yet he have it. You can't assume kakashi can counter moktun or say obito is inexperience w/ d rinnengan wen he can control bijjuu somethin nagato couldn't do. It makes no sense. It screams plot induced stupidity

This plot no jutsu gives Izanami a run for its money!
 

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These are not personal and no offence, man.

1- There is no proof. We have no idea, where body part will appear. Overlapping idea is not logical. There are a lot of plot that jutsu.

2- Kakashi uses Kamui's new ability like Obito almost 30 min. maybe 45 min. I'm sure he is the master. (plot)

3- Why can't we compare his level with Madara ? He has been living that android body for years and became as one. You still think Madara better Mokuton user than Obito ? Yeah...

4- & 5 - There is another plot. If he uses Rinnegan, there is no war. And chakra excuse is another lame thing. Why did he spend his chakra to use Jinchuriki and Why didn't he spend Biju chakra to use Rinnegan ?

6- Izanagi makes idea real, does it ? Why can't he imagine to out of his dimension himself. Forget about Kamui cuz he'll become Jinchuuriki.

Do you remember Rikudo Sennin Ying-Yang power ? I hope you can...

7- I really really wonder what would happen, If Obito used Bansho Ten'in. I'm sure every shinobi can resist Bansho Ten'in and Shinra Tensei. (Especially, Bansho Ten'in)

Sorry, man. I did not buy this bullshit. These are just for teenagers not for people who use their mind.

Anyway, fu*k me, right ?

Very logical points, but I must point out some things.

1. That was a good point, but think of it this way. If Obito teleported parts of his body in one direction, was still in Kamui world, and needed to teleport back to the war, he have to use Kamui to get his body parts, and then teleport to the war. A total of 3 times.

2. Kakashi had his chakra healed by Naruto several times. So no, Obito is better in that regard.

3. Yes, I do believe Madara would be better at it. Madara had mokuton longer than Obito and had fought Hashirama a lot. He at best was in his 30s-40s when he got Hashi's dna. And he was at least 70 by the time he met Obito. Besides, Madara got a DIRECT implant of Hashirama's cells, while Obito got implanted with merely a fraction of a zetsu clone.

4. Because he isn't adapted to the Biju's chakra for one thing. Two, I don't believe it works both ways for the jinchuriki, as Obito was merely controlling them while their actual biju conciousness gave Naruto chakra. Even if he took chakra from them, wouldn't that waste time for the JUbi's revival? Because it wouldn't be the complete biju.

6. You're comparing the Rikudo sennin to Obito now. That's not even worth debating. Anyway, as proven from Obito himself, he can only use Izanagi at the expense of one of his sharingan. Which he only has one, and it's the only way to get out of his own Jutsu. Unless, of course he took Kakashi's eyes somehow.

7. Naruto has fought the rinnegan several times, now the edo Hokages are there, Sasuke, Killer B, Orochimaru, and the rest of the alliance. I'm pretty sure they could protect themselves from that. And if that was so all powerful, wouldn't that hurt the Jubi? Plus at close range, Obito would be dragged into it as well.
 

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Nice thread, but obito didn't put a decent fight... Kakashi owned him...

Still Obito loosing wasn't PNJ, it was that he isn't at kakashi's level without MS and Rinnengan... because:

-His mokuton isn't enough to beat kakashi, his speed and reflexes were enough to react to zabuza in his hidden mist technique

-Bijuu-Sized fire wouldn't have ended him because he has good water and earth jutsus

-Any other atack wouldn't work, kakashi has dodged and tanked KAKUZU'S atacks, those where gigantic and very powerfull

- In taijutsu kakashi is far superior...

If you remove Kamui and Rinnengan, Obito looses, this is not PNJ, obito was just stupid to take kakashi to the other dimension
 

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kakashi is a kage level shinobi sooooooo
 

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Don't compare kakashi to those fodders, that's underrating him... Kakashi could dodge that, he dodged kakuzu's blasts, he has sharingan reflexes...

Kakashi > Obito's mokuton
 
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