Logical discussion why nagato beats madara

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I believe nagato has everything needed to counter and beat madara does anyone know of any ways madara would beat nagato As far as i am aware no 1 ninja was able to take on edo nagato it took 3 extremely powerful ninja. I very much doubt that madara could take on 3 high level ninja as gai was kicking his ass all over the place. Anyway nagato has the advantage in every field so please how does madara win? P.s this is current madara but alive so no infinite chakra and as we have seen he barely knows how to use rinnegan/ has not shown much. Also nagato is alive and has mobility.

Location: 5 kages vs madara
Distance: 50 meters
Restrictions: None

 

[Optimistic]

Kyuubi Summoning rapped in PS dominates.Even his PS slash can kill him.
Chibaku Tensei gets blown away by continues Bijudama.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

That depends on what instance of Madara we are talking about, Edo would clearly stomp, so I'll assume you are referring to EMS Madara.

I agree with you, Nagato has threr major techniques that already put this battle in his favour, among others. They are:


1.) His Levitation.

2.) His summons, especially the dog.

3.) Chibaku Tensei.


1 - Chibaku Tensei dwarfs Perfect Susano'o.

Here is a size comparison between PS and Chibaku Tensei.

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And here is CT is the size of many mountains, what is scary is that Nagato, already past his limit was willing to make CT even bigger.

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Need I even mention that Nagato is far better at his techniques than any of his paths?


2. - Levitation.

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Through the Deva path, Pain (And Nagato therefore.) is able to attain flight, he has shown significant speed through this technique (Scan can be posted if necessary.) this allows him to effectively evade the majority of Madara's techniques, whilst outlasting Madara's Susano'o.


3. - Summons: Dog summon.

A summon that is already dead, directly controlled via Nagato and is able to duplicate whenever it's struck. The only way to defeat it is via taking out Nagato himself. This thing cannot be stopped otherwise and can't be killed.

I can show a scan of it's durability feats if necessary.

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A technique that takes people's souls, a technique that can't be blocked.

 

[Optimistic]

Nagato vs EMS Madara is the definition of stomp, I see Tim Jamieson is attributing some made up Bijuu Dama spam,

Its not made up Continuous Bijudama was used against Hashirama's 1000 hands technique.

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.Chibaku Tensei one the most overrated moves can be destroyed easily.

 

[Optimistic]

1.) His Levitation.

Nope

2.) His summons, especially the dog.

That dog got knocked out by a FRS.

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Madara beats it easily.

3.) Chibaku Tensei.

Yawn.Countered this already.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

I find Tim Jamieson's rebuttal insignificant, to be frank, deciding to disregard a point outright is telltale signs of a Strawman.
I'm not hearing at least two of my points refuted.

1.) Dog summon.

You've defeated your own point, for a start, in the very link you posted it showed that Nagato states that "Hitting that dog only makes it multiply, you have to defeat me.

The fact that it chose not to isn't really important, considering its broken out of restrain in the past and multiplied as a result, I'd like to remind you he was controlled by Kabuto at the time who had a lack of knowledge of Nagato's techniques.

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Now I make your point about the summon moot (More than it already is, how will Madara restrain them?)
I may add more feats to the Dog summon later on.

For starters, Nagato is

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adding to increased difficulty at restraining them - due to being able to divide themselves at any given point. Not only is the scan you posted above self-defeating and only strengthens my argument, it's also irrelevant as Nagato can simply summon the animals back to his position, not to mention the fact, yet again, in that very scan; Naruto is shocked as to why the summon will not stop, despite being subdued. Finally, the act of restraining the dog involves applying a force to the summon, effectively striking and allowing the dog to multiply.

2. - Your argument against Chibaku Tensei.

Not only is the 1000 hands technique composed of a completely different element - an inferior one at that in terms of durability, but is also far smaller than Chibaku Tensei Also, the attack initiated towards Hashirama was composed of many smaller Biju Dama's, barely significant enough to counter something as small (In comparison to CT.) as the 1000 hands technique.

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Your strategy of handling CT, aside from the above is invalid for two reasons:

1.) The speed of CT growth (slowest version through Pain.) and the length of time it took to integrate Kyuubi Naruto within its pull.

2.) The quick reformation of the minor damage caused by the mini-Bijuu Dama.

Now, observe the following slides of the rapid growth of CT, also observe the Kyuubi's attempts to destroy it.

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(Bare in mind this is a smaller Kyuubi, but the fact remains.)
Notice that the Kyuubi was quickly made a part of CT, before it could even muster a second Bijuu Dama. I'd like you also to observe that within one pannel it was able to repair any damage caused by the Kyuubi. Another important thing to note was that Pain did not want to kill the Kyuubi and wanted to capture it, in a debate this limit would be removed.


Another point is that Nagato may actually be able to contest for control with Madara's control of the Kyuubi, this can be achieved through several areas. Two of theses areas are through Nagato's Chakra receivers (Imposing his own influence on the Kyuubi.) or through the demonic statue itself, which is able to reintegrate its old Chakra within itself.

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There's much more detail I could go into, but frankly, I'm not really feeling up to it.

I don't even need to mention that the Kyuubi can't affect Nagato at long range, Preta path makes it redundant.
And you can't contest the advantage that Levitation gives Nagato.

 

[Optimistic]

1.) Dog summon.

You've defeated your own point, for a start, in the very link you posted it showed that Nagato states that "Hitting that dog only makes it multiply, you have to defeat me.

The fact that it chose not to isn't really important, considering its broken out of restrain in the past and multiplied as a result, I'd like to remind you he was controlled by Kabuto at the time who had a lack of knowledge of Nagato's techniques.

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That changes nothing, the fact that the Dog didn't multiply when hit by a explosive move like FRS it didn't multiply.Every time the dog multiplied it was always from a physical attack.Gamabunta and the other giant toad hit the dog physically causing it to multiply.The funny thing is, is the fact that you ignored the scan after showing the dogs to be knocked out not moving a single muscle.
Now I make your point about the summon moot (More than it already is, how will Madara restrain them?)
I may add more feats to the Dog summon later on.

For starters, Nagato is

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adding to increased difficulty at restraining them - due to being able to divide themselves at any given point. Not only is the scan you posted above self-defeating and only strengthens my argument,

When they divide they dived into smaller intetise, not only do they lack the fire power in harming Susanoo but the can also get killed by a simple tailed beast bomb.Thinking that they can survive such a move is foolish.

it's also irrelevant as Nagato can simply summon the animals back to his position

You're making things even more easier for Madara, if all his summonings go back to one spot Madara can easily take aim and command the Kyuubi to fire another Tbb.

not to mention the fact, yet again, in that very scan; Naruto is shocked as to why the summon will not stop, despite being subdued. Finally, the act of restraining the dog involves applying a force to the summon, effectively striking and allowing the dog to multiply.

Only the heads multiplied and did that help it against Naruto? not at all.You seem to be missing the point that the Dog got knocked out.It was sitting in the same spot after 1 or 2 pages.Your making out that the Dogs are even a threat to the Nine tails considering how small they're compared to him.I enjoyed readying about how 'good' the dogs are but they aren't even a factor in this battle.

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Dogs die from a tbb.

Your strategy of handling CT, aside from the above is invalid for two reasons:

1.) The speed of CT growth (slowest version through Pain.) and the length of time it took to integrate Kyuubi Naruto within its pull.

Absolute rubbish the one Nagato used is far 'faster' than the one Pein used yet Itachi,Bee and Naruto still had time to:
Talk,Come up with a plan then charge up their projectile moves that pale in comparison to a single tbb from 100% Kyuubi.
2.) The quick reformation of the minor damage caused by the mini-Bijuu Dama.

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ow, observe the following slides of the rapid growth of CT, also observe the Kyuubi's attempts to destroy it.

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(Bare in mind this is a smaller Kyuubi, but the fact remains.)
Notice that the Kyuubi was quickly made a part of CT, before it could even muster a second Bijuu Dama. I'd like you also to observe that within one pannel it was able to repair any damage caused by the Kyuubi.

Your arguments are poor my friend you're comparing a 6 tailed Kyuubi from 50% of Kurumah to a 100% full powered Nine tails with enhanced tbb thanks to Madara's blades.It takes no time to use continues bijudama

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One tbb could do this to Hashirama's gates.

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Chibaku tensei got destroyed by Yasaka Magatama,8 tails bijudama and FRS.

Another point is that Nagato may actually be able to contest for control with Madara's control of the Kyuubi, this can be achieved through several areas. Two of theses areas are through Nagato's Chakra receivers (Imposing his own influence on the Kyuubi.) or through the demonic statue itself, which is able to reintegrate its old Chakra within itself.

I laughed at all that rubbish about the stakes lol.As if the stakes can pierce the Susanoo armor that the Nine tails is wearing.Also about the statue being able to take in the Kyuubi since when did it have the whole Nine tails within in it?
It only has Ginkaku and Kinkaku which is nowhere near the real deal unlike the other 7 tailed beasts.

I don't even need to mention that the Kyuubi can't affect Nagato at long range, Preta path makes it redundant.

The bigger the jutsu the longer it takes to absorb the jutsu.You overrate nagato's paths like there's no tomorrow.
A perfect example of this feat is when Jiraiya used his Odama rasengan on the path, now compare that speed to FRS being absorbed by Preta path.A tbb will make nagato stationary giving madara enough time to strike.

And you can't contest the advantage that Levitation gives Nagato.

You can't even contest that Nagato has no way of beating madara unless his absorbs all the Susanoo off him.This is almost as bad as the idiots in the EMS Madara vs Nagato a few months ago.

 

[Optimistic]

1.) Dog summon.

You've defeated your own point, for a start, in the very link you posted it showed that Nagato states that "Hitting that dog only makes it multiply, you have to defeat me.

The fact that it chose not to isn't really important, considering its broken out of restrain in the past and multiplied as a result, I'd like to remind you he was controlled by Kabuto at the time who had a lack of knowledge of Nagato's techniques.

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That changes nothing, the fact that the Dog didn't multiply when hit by a explosive move like FRS it didn't multiply.Every time the dog multiplied it was always from a physical attack.Gamabunta and the other giant toad hit the dog physically causing it to multiply.The funny thing is, is the fact that you ignored the scan after showing the dogs to be knocked out not moving a single muscle.

For starters, Nagato is

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adding to increased difficulty at restraining them - due to being able to divide themselves at any given point. Not only is the scan you posted above self-defeating and only strengthens my argument,

When they divide they dived into smaller forms, not only do they lack the fire power in harming Susanoo but the can also get killed by a simple tailed beast bomb.Thinking that they can survive such a move is foolish.

it's also irrelevant as Nagato can simply summon the animals back to his position

You're making things even more easier for Madara, if all his summonings go back to one spot Madara can easily take aim and command the Kyuubi to fire another Tbb.

not to mention the fact, yet again, in that very scan; Naruto is shocked as to why the summon will not stop, despite being subdued. Finally, the act of restraining the dog involves applying a force to the summon, effectively striking and allowing the dog to multiply.

Only the heads multiplied and did that help it against Naruto? not at all.You seem to be missing the point that the Dog got knocked out.It was sitting in the same spot after 1 or 2 pages.Your making out that the Dogs are even a threat to the Nine tails considering how small they're compared to him.I enjoyed reading about how 'good' the dogs are but they aren't even a factor in this battle.

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Dogs die from a tbb.

Your strategy of handling CT, aside from the above is invalid for two reasons:

1.) The speed of CT growth (slowest version through Pain.) and the length of time it took to integrate Kyuubi Naruto within its pull.

Absolute rubbish the one Nagato used is far 'faster' than the one Pein used yet Itachi,Bee and Naruto still had time to:
Talk,Come up with a plan then charge up their projectile moves that pale in comparison to a single tbb from 100% Kyuubi.
2.) The quick reformation of the minor damage caused by the mini-Bijuu Dama.

N

ow, observe the following slides of the rapid growth of CT, also observe the Kyuubi's attempts to destroy it.

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(Bare in mind this is a smaller Kyuubi, but the fact remains.)
Notice that the Kyuubi was quickly made a part of CT, before it could even muster a second Bijuu Dama. I'd like you also to observe that within one pannel it was able to repair any damage caused by the Kyuubi.

Your arguments are poor my friend you're comparing a 6 tailed Kyuubi from 50% of Kurumah to a 100% full powered Nine tails with enhanced tbb thanks to Madara's blades.It takes no time to use continues bijudama

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One tbb could do this to Hashirama's gates.

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Chibaku tensei got destroyed by Yasaka Magatama,8 tails bijudama and FRS.

Another point is that Nagato may actually be able to contest for control with Madara's control of the Kyuubi, this can be achieved through several areas. Two of theses areas are through Nagato's Chakra receivers (Imposing his own influence on the Kyuubi.) or through the demonic statue itself, which is able to reintegrate its old Chakra within itself.

I laughed at all that rubbish about the stakes lol.As if the stakes can pierce the Susanoo armor that the Nine tails is wearing.Also about the statue being able to take in the Kyuubi since when did it have the whole Nine tails within in it?
It only has Ginkaku and Kinkaku which is nowhere near the real deal unlike the other 7 tailed beasts.

I don't even need to mention that the Kyuubi can't affect Nagato at long range, Preta path makes it redundant.

The bigger the jutsu the longer it takes to absorb the jutsu.You overrate nagato's paths like there's no tomorrow.
A perfect example of this feat is when Jiraiya used his Odama rasengan on the path, now compare that speed to FRS being absorbed by Preta path.A tbb will make nagato stationary giving madara enough time to strike.

And you can't contest the advantage that Levitation gives Nagato.

You can't even contest that Nagato has no way of beating madara unless he absorbs all the Susanoo off him.This is almost as bad as the idiots in the EMS Madara vs Nagato a few months ago.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I shall properly refute once I have access to a computer and not my smartphone, I'll Also get the mods to remove my "miserable" status that has been placed on my account. I cannot say when this will be.

 

[Optimistic]

I shall properly refute once I have access to a computer and not my smartphone, I'll Also get the mods to remove my "miserable" status that has been placed on my account. I cannot say when this will be.

wtf why have two accounts???:|

 

[KidGamer65]

Not this thread again....as usual, Madara rapes and it should be obvious at this point in the manga.

 

[Optimistic]

Not this thread again....as usual, Madara rapes and it should be obvious at this point in the manga.

Have you seen this guy thinking the Dog summonings will do any harm to Madara? I wish i never got involved in this pointless argument about how Madara easily beats Nagato.

 

[Simple Math]

Madara rapes

Nagato has shown us nothing, that can come close to Madara's full power. any summons or CT will completey be shitted on by a single PS slash.

 

[KidGamer65]

Have you seen this guy thinking the Dog summonings will do any harm to Madara? I wish i never got involved in this pointless argument about how Madara easily beats Nagato.

Lmfao, every time there is a Nagato vs Madara debate people act like the dogs are a major factor...when they really aren't.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Lmfao, every time there is a Nagato vs Madara debate people act like the dogs are a major factor...when they really aren't.

25 wood clones gg

 

[TheSages456]

nagato gets killed by continuous bijudamas/PS blades.