Why I'm upset Tsunade didn't die.

[blackstar9]

You're so blinded by what you want, which is Tsunade's death, that you cant see the facts:

1st we dont know what has happened to Kakashi. That could be a genjutsu for all we know so I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

2nd Tsunade summoned Katsuya who had slugs working on Tsunade the entire time to keep her alive, not to mention Tsunade was also using her Byakugo which is capable of saving thousands like it did when pain attacked so surely is would be enough to keep her alive even with those grave injuries.

She is the greatest med nin alive and is part senju and uzamaki as well so her endurance should not surprise you. Naruto's mom survived child birth and having the 9 tails ripped out of her and was still able to bind the 9 tails and create a barrier.

You have to understand what it means to be senju/uzamaki. It means to have the SO6P body and life force. Thats not going to be easy to kill even without healing abilities. Combine that with healing abilities and you have a tough task if you want to kill that body.

Madara got cocky and left them barely alive but you can not do that with a senju/uzamaki, especially not one known as the greatest med nin alive, not to mention with Katsuya at her side.

The Byakugo did not run out. It was refilled by Dan and in the current chapter it was fading away but not gone. And once the seal wears off she does not die. She turns old and goes into a coma and can possibly die. POSSIBLY!

i agree with this 100 %

 

[GrayParadise]

You're so blinded by what you want, which is Tsunade's death, that you cant see the facts:

1st we dont know what has happened to Kakashi. That could be a genjutsu for all we know so I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

No, no, no, no, no. All wrong. Absolutely all wrong. Her living is inexcusable, no way to reason with it, so don't try to. But I'll respond just because I have time.

Yes, we do. Whether or not their skill of genjutsu is equal or not, we may never know. But I would assume Obito's is stronger, therefore he's immune to a non-Uchiha's like Kakashi. You may be right though, which would be awesome and I would make up for everything. I doubt it is though.

2nd Tsunade summoned Katsuya who had slugs working on Tsunade the entire time to keep her alive, not to mention Tsunade was also using her Byakugo which is capable of saving thousands like it did when pain attacked so surely is would be enough to keep her alive even with those grave injuries.

Like I said, no excuse. If she had anymore chakra, she should've used it to get back up and fight, not lay there and play dead.

Secondly, her seal. Was GONE. Hear? G-o-n-e. Outta here. Nowhere to be found.
That last we saw of her after Madara left was chapter 601 page 6 where she was crushed under a tree, with her body... split.. in half. Now once her jutsu is gone, that means no more regeneration, so she has to deal with it. And even for a Senju, having your body cut in half for more than 5 minutes of constant bleeding is enough to kill you. I mean if a kunai can kill Hashirama, that can surely kill Tsunade.

She is the greatest med nin alive and is part senju and uzamaki as well so her endurance should not surprise you. Naruto's mom survived child birth and having the 9 tails ripped out of her and was still able to bind the 9 tails and create a barrier.

Don't care, doesn't matter. Already responded to this. If a kunai can kill Hashirama, having her body cut in half for over 5 minutes can kill her. And yes, endurance like that certainly does surprise me. Are you trying to say she had a stronger body than Hashirama? Because that's certainly what it sounds like.

And how much longer did she last after that penetration? About 1 minute 30, maybe 2 minutes. But Tsunade stood there, blood running and all for 15+ minutes. Inexcusable.

You have to understand what it means to be senju/uzamaki. It means to have the SO6P body and life force. Thats not going to be easy to kill even without healing abilities. Combine that with healing abilities and you have a tough task if you want to kill that body.

YES, I GET COMPLETELY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ONE OF THEM. And I KNOW it means to have his life force. But listen to this.

Hashirama almost killed himself with a kunai. Having your body cut in half is more dangerous and in any case would be an instant death. He had the most powerful body. Madara had a powerful body as well, yet he got killed by a sword stab. Those are what I'd call pretty easy killing measures, and I'm sure you'd agree.

And listen... she still somehow had enough chakra to summon Katsuyu like I said, and give her a STEADY SUPPLY OF CHAKRA for 15 MINUTES with her BODY CUT IN HALF. What the hell type of sense does that make, seriously?! None!

INEXCUSABLE!

Madara got cocky and left them barely alive but you can not do that with a senju/uzamaki, especially not one known as the greatest med nin alive, not to mention with Katsuya at her side.

HE LEFT HER WITH HER SEAL GONE AND BODY CUT IN HALF.

THERE'S NOTHING COCKY ABOUT THAT. She was out of chakra. If she had any remaining chakra, her seal would've still been open. She would have kept it open so she could regenerate again. But she was a foot in the grave, and barely breathing. And you must be misinformed, Katsuya NEVER uses her own power. She's only as strong as Tsunade lets her be. Plus she had to divide her chakra up into 5 parts to heal her and the others. There was no way she should've been able to stay alive for that long. No sense.

The Byakugo did not run out. It was refilled by Dan and in the current chapter it was fading away but not gone. And once the seal wears off she does not die. She turns old and goes into a coma and can possibly die. POSSIBLY!

WTF? NO! WRONG! It was refilled in chapter 591! 10 Chapters before 601! She used it all up, it as gone! You can tell because the seal went back to the diamond spot! And she is MORE than capable of being killed even with the diamond there! And yes, she can die in that state if she's not given medical attention asap! Shizune and the Pain arc proved that!

INEXCUSABLE!

 

[inoyamanaka98]

Yes it does make sense she is from a clan that possess powerful Life Span and Stamina. Plus the slugs were healing her for a while so that is what kept her a little alive and I'm glad she's alive what's wrong with you wanting her to die?!

 

[GrayParadise]

Cry me a f**king river.Cut in have or not, Tsunade is the top medical nin in the history of the shinobi world.

Being a medic doesn't grant you invincibility. Everyone can be killed somehow. And Hashirama was the superior medic, yet he could be killed by a kunai. And you're telling me it makes sense for him to die within 30 seconds of that, but Tsunade still live for over 15 minutes of bleeding out? Didn't think so.

Saying she should have died after she didn't die after being cut in have is idiotic.

No it's not. Being cut in half should kill anybody in NV. Simple as that. Do not try to reason with it. You can't.

If you wanted to have a hissy fit, you should have started that after she was turn into a midget by Madara.

...What the hell?

Equally as dumb is believing she could die from blood loss, but not from being cut in half in the first place.

You're a moron. She should've been instantly killed from being cut in half, but since she didn't you could expect her to die from blood loss.

Stopping the loss of blood is so easy for a medical nin, the fact that you brought it up as an excuse for you're crybabying death sentence to Tsunade is shocking to say the least.

You're right, it is easy to stop blood loss. But a skill like that can only go so far, and you know it. It's literally impossible for Tsunade to keep a person who's been cut in half alive for over 15 minutes. And you know it. The biggest injury she could probably heal is a ripped off arm or something.

Sakura was able to not only stop herself from bleeding when Sasori stab her with his sword, but she also started healing the wound while the blade was still inside her.

Sword cuts=/=body-in-half cuts.

As for Byakugo running out, you do know that isn't Tsunade's only healing jutsu, right?

Refer to my earlier quote.

Saying once the seal is gone she done, is stupid because we have seen Tsunade lose the seal before and she didn't die.

She basically would've though. When she loses it, she turns old and weak. When she turns old and weak, she goes into a coma. When she goes into a coma, if not treated immediantly, she will die. You know this.

I assume you missed the Pain Invasion Arc.Tsunade stores chakra in the seal, but she also has her own chakra flowing through her body completely separate from the chakra seal in her forehead.

I know this. But that doesn't act as a backup.

Even if she loses the sealed chakra, she isn't completely out of chakra as the Pain Invasion Arc proved.

Did you not just say this? And like I said, she turns old and goes into a coma. If left alone, she will die.

Not that any of that matters because you can clearly see in the last chapter Tsunade seal is still intact.

That seal doesn't constantly heal her and you know it, so don't try and make me look dumb.

As for you're crybaby whine of what Tsunade could do with the amount of chakra she had, Katsuya clearly stated in the last chapter that Tsunade wasn't using all of her chakra to heal the Kages.So there is a way she could in your own misguided words

And as for your stupid whine (*your is the correct term for possession by the way) of what Tsunade can do, Katsuya CLEARLY said 'I can use my powers according to Tsunade Sasma's Byakugou power. Tsunade is weak now so I can't use my full power.' Do you understand what this means? HM? DO YOU? It means Tsunade wasn't at full power, so she was giving it all she could. She has no chakra to spear when it comes to the other Kage, you think she would just be going lightly when she could be speeding it up?? Hell no.

Now that has said that, go cry about something else.

Whatever.

 

[BestFriendsForever]

Maybe Jiraiya will be revived, so Kishi is planning that all three Sannin and their disciples reunite on battlefield...

 

[Microsword57]

Kishimoto has done a spectacular job with this manga but I have to agree things like this have become enormously frustrating. He hypes something and then does nothing with it. Madara was hyped and he killed no one, Perfect Susano'o hyped and it was gone in seconds, Amaterasu was hyped and now it burns slowly and now simply removing clothing is enough to counter the flames therefore they kill nothing, this war was hyped to be the biggest war of all time yet more people have been brought back than killed. I am not going to sit here and claim I do not enjoy this manga and look forward to new chapters but this "glorious war" is to simpler to the Glorious Revolution.

 

[aimop95]

Senju DNA = Bound to this world forever.

HELL, Madara got stabbed in the back, not to mention the various bruises, burns and cuts he received during the fight with Harashima. And He can survive apparently? With no blood loss? I dunno about you guys but swords through the body = a lot of blood loss.

And he's not even a Senju.

It's been a manga fact and reality in Naruto that Senju DNA is the only way to survive.

 

[GrayParadise]

Senju DNA = Bound to this world forever.

HELL, Madara got stabbed in the back, not to mention the various bruises, burns and cuts he received during the fight with Harashima. And He can survive apparently? With no blood loss? I dunno about you guys but swords through the body = a lot of blood loss.

And he's not even a Senju.

It's been a manga fact and reality in Naruto that Senju DNA is the only way to survive.

Nope, sorry. Neither Senju DNA nor being a medic grants you invincibility.

Hashirama almost got killed by a kunai.
Your argument is no longer valid.

And you're comparing blood loss from a sword stab, something light to a man like him, to having his body cut in half, which would be too much even for Hashirama. You can't recover from that. Once you're cut, you're done.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

She will die, all of the sannin will, but Kishi would have done her dirty if she was killed that way. Come on, a Sannin, the current Hokage, one of the most important secondary characters in the series (she had a whole arc dedicated to her development) crushed by a tree off screen :|. That would just be awful on Kishi's part, when he does kill her there will be a point to it, I mean even Neji's death had a slight point to it, killing people for the sake of it, just because it's a war doesn't mean it is necessarily good writing.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I think Onoki should have died too.
I don't see a purpose in keeping her around anymore either. To keep her fans happy maybe?

Even that is pointless though because now rather than being that awesome Hokage character who sacrificed herself after putting up a great fight she is now just that old lady who is awkwardly still around. And this is coming from a Tsunade fan, it would've been much better for her to die and Orochimaru to be the last remaining sannin- their conversation they shared shouldn't have even happened.

 

[regii sanguinis]

No, no, no, no, no. All wrong. Absolutely all wrong. Her living is inexcusable, no way to reason with it, so don't try to. But I'll respond just because I have time.

based on those words my friend, you have already made up your mind on what should believed in.. in most cases like this, reason is futile..

Like I said, no excuse. If she had anymore chakra, she should've used it to get back up and fight, not lay there and play dead.

again, you are comparing her to others.. she is her own character.. one must understand that Tsunade is a medic.. she is bound by the rules of being a medic that she herself establish.. she could have easily used Katsuyu and heal herself and return to the battlefield.. but she is a medic.. and it is a medic's sacred trust is to put the lives of lives of others before his/her own..

You must be registered for see images

Tsunade using her remaining chakra to save others rather than for combat is very logical and the best thing to do at given time..

Like I said, no excuse. If she had anymore chakra, she should've used it to get back up and fight, not lay there and play dead.

Secondly, her seal. Was GONE. Hear? G-o-n-e. Outta here. Nowhere to be found.
That last we saw of her after Madara left was chapter 601 page 6 where she was crushed under a tree, with her body... split.. in half. Now once her jutsu is gone, that means no more regeneration, so she has to deal with it. And even for a Senju, having your body cut in half for more than 5 minutes of constant bleeding is enough to kill you. I mean if a kunai can kill Hashirama, that can surely kill Tsunade.

actually, if you were reading the manga, her seal was returned in Manga #591 page 16 due to Dan's help..

You must be registered for see images

and when Madara left them for dead, it was very much obvious that her seal is very much intact.. see in Manga 601 page 07

You must be registered for see images

also, if you know something about medicine, any form of blockage in a wound would delay bleeding.. that is why we put pressure on puncture wounds and tourniquets to to control venous and arterial circulation to an extremity for a period of time.. Tsunade's bisected body was caught up in huge tree.. this is both an advantage and a disadvantage.. an advantage because it delays blood loss and a disadvantage because she cannot heal herself due to the blockage.. this fact plus her given heritage are more than enough to ensure that she will survive the ordeal given treatment in a timely manner..

Don't care, doesn't matter. Already responded to this. If a kunai can kill Hashirama, having her body cut in half for over 5 minutes can kill her. And yes, endurance like that certainly does surprise me. Are you trying to say she had a stronger body than Hashirama? Because that's certainly what it sounds like.

And how much longer did she last after that penetration? About 1 minute 30, maybe 2 minutes. But Tsunade stood there, blood running and all for 15+ minutes. Inexcusable.

where was it said that Hashirama was killed by a kunai? enlighten me please.. also, Senjus were given a strong body and physical energy.. but vitality, life force and long lifespan was a prominent Uzumaki clan trait, not of the Senjus.. That is why Kushina survived having Kurama extracted from her body.. Tsunade having a more durable body than Hashirama is not a completely absurd possibility, when Tsunade is a Senju/Uzumaki hybrid.. that plus the fact stated above..

YES, I GET COMPLETELY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ONE OF THEM. And I KNOW it means to have his life force. But listen to this.

Hashirama almost killed himself with a kunai. Having your body cut in half is more dangerous and in any case would be an instant death. He had the most powerful body. Madara had a powerful body as well, yet he got killed by a sword stab. Those are what I'd call pretty easy killing measures, and I'm sure you'd agree.

And listen... she still somehow had enough chakra to summon Katsuyu like I said, and give her a STEADY SUPPLY OF CHAKRA for 15 MINUTES with her BODY CUT IN HALF. What the hell type of sense does that make, seriously?! None!

like it was stated earlier, a strong body doesn't equal to longevity.. by all definition, Hashirama probably had a stronger body than Kushina or his wife Mito, but it was these 2 ladies who survived bijuu extraction and an extraordinary long life.. as for the other, please see previous posts..

HE LEFT HER WITH HER SEAL GONE AND BODY CUT IN HALF.

THERE'S NOTHING COCKY ABOUT THAT. She was out of chakra. If she had any remaining chakra, her seal would've still been open. She would have kept it open so she could regenerate again. But she was a foot in the grave, and barely breathing. And you must be misinformed, Katsuya NEVER uses her own power. She's only as strong as Tsunade lets her be. Plus she had to divide her chakra up into 5 parts to heal her and the others. There was no way she should've been able to stay alive for that long. No sense.

again, please see scan posted on previous post.. thank you..

WTF? NO! WRONG! It was refilled in chapter 591! 10 Chapters before 601! She used it all up, it as gone! You can tell because the seal went back to the diamond spot! And she is MORE than capable of being killed even with the diamond there! And yes, she can die in that state if she's not given medical attention asap! Shizune and the Pain arc proved that!

INEXCUSABLE!

again, Tsunade's body even without byakugou is very durable and she has extended vitality.. she survived having her intercoastal muscles (muscles responsible for breathing) and her vastus lateralis torned, her lungs cut (which means pneaumothorax which means havng your lungs collapse) and a direct sword to the chest, and yet she still survived and managed to send Orochimaru flying with a kick.. and also, during the Pain Invasion, Tsunade did not have any injuries, she exhausted herself first due to healing thousands of people and then protecting them from Pain's Shinra Tensei..

 

[aimop95]

Nope, sorry. Neither Senju DNA nor being a medic grants you invincibility.

Hashirama almost got killed by a kunai.
Your argument is no longer valid.

And you're comparing blood loss from a sword stab, something light to a man like him, to having his body cut in half, which would be too much even for Hashirama. You can't recover from that. Once you're cut, you're done.

Except That kunai never touched Hashirama's skin. And he wasn't going to try heal himself from wound. but that's not worth getting into because that's a technicality.

Blood loss would have killed her. Except that she probably summoned Katsuyu seconds after Madara left (the only actual debatable thing we have to argue about), and I'm sure Madara didn't just Saunter off, he probably flicker-stepped away and allowed a still conscious Tsundade to summon Katsuyu to provide emergency first aid.

Regardless, she's alive and there is nothing we can do about it except see where this goes. And I for Still have a good vested interest in this Manga (plus why do you people all complain about this AFTER it happens. If you want to your arguments to have any actual relevance to the story, go spam Kishimoto's twitter or facebook page with suggestions on how he should go about pleasing the fans. Not complaining about a perceived mistake after it has happened.)

Not that I don't agree with you, because Tsunade and the 5 kages dying would have challenged Naruto's beliefs again (but we don't know how this story will actually end, especially with the new plot twist from Sasuke and Orochimaru, so maybe they will become quite relevant again.) and made his conviction to change the world even stronger.

Point being, there are 3 billion instances where people should have died horrible deaths in this series via jutsu of obscene explosive power. And they all survived.

 

[Strawberry]

she will die soon enought just wait.

 

[Altaneen]

They way out is either Obito good, or Kakashi dead, and I'd rather it be that Kakashi dies.

Also, Tsunade didn't die because she's a boss.

 

[Kronus]

I think it was a bad move too, but you are overreacting we have yet to see kakashi's fate so please be patient.

 

[Nous]

Kishi is messing up a lot. Kakashi dying to Obito was obvious imo.

 

[Tazzilla88]

No, no, no, no, no. All wrong. Absolutely all wrong. Her living is inexcusable, no way to reason with it, so don't try to. But I'll respond just because I have time.

Yes, we do. Whether or not their skill of genjutsu is equal or not, we may never know. But I would assume Obito's is stronger, therefore he's immune to a non-Uchiha's like Kakashi. You may be right though, which would be awesome and I would make up for everything. I doubt it is though.

Like I said, no excuse. If she had anymore chakra, she should've used it to get back up and fight, not lay there and play dead.

Secondly, her seal. Was GONE. Hear? G-o-n-e. Outta here. Nowhere to be found.
That last we saw of her after Madara left was chapter 601 page 6 where she was crushed under a tree, with her body... split.. in half. Now once her jutsu is gone, that means no more regeneration, so she has to deal with it. And even for a Senju, having your body cut in half for more than 5 minutes of constant bleeding is enough to kill you. I mean if a kunai can kill Hashirama, that can surely kill Tsunade.

Don't care, doesn't matter. Already responded to this. If a kunai can kill Hashirama, having her body cut in half for over 5 minutes can kill her. And yes, endurance like that certainly does surprise me. Are you trying to say she had a stronger body than Hashirama? Because that's certainly what it sounds like.

And how much longer did she last after that penetration? About 1 minute 30, maybe 2 minutes. But Tsunade stood there, blood running and all for 15+ minutes. Inexcusable.

YES, I GET COMPLETELY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ONE OF THEM. And I KNOW it means to have his life force. But listen to this.

Hashirama almost killed himself with a kunai. Having your body cut in half is more dangerous and in any case would be an instant death. He had the most powerful body. Madara had a powerful body as well, yet he got killed by a sword stab. Those are what I'd call pretty easy killing measures, and I'm sure you'd agree.

And listen... she still somehow had enough chakra to summon Katsuyu like I said, and give her a STEADY SUPPLY OF CHAKRA for 15 MINUTES with her BODY CUT IN HALF. What the hell type of sense does that make, seriously?! None!

INEXCUSABLE!

HE LEFT HER WITH HER SEAL GONE AND BODY CUT IN HALF.

THERE'S NOTHING COCKY ABOUT THAT. She was out of chakra. If she had any remaining chakra, her seal would've still been open. She would have kept it open so she could regenerate again. But she was a foot in the grave, and barely breathing. And you must be misinformed, Katsuya NEVER uses her own power. She's only as strong as Tsunade lets her be. Plus she had to divide her chakra up into 5 parts to heal her and the others. There was no way she should've been able to stay alive for that long. No sense.

WTF? NO! WRONG! It was refilled in chapter 591! 10 Chapters before 601! She used it all up, it as gone! You can tell because the seal went back to the diamond spot! And she is MORE than capable of being killed even with the diamond there! And yes, she can die in that state if she's not given medical attention asap! Shizune and the Pain arc proved that!

INEXCUSABLE!

So I would like to point out a few things. Your comparisons of her to Hashirama lack something great, it lacks the fact that
1. Hashirama had no intent to treat himself, whereas Tsunade was also treating herself
2. Hashirama has the body of the sage but not the uzumaki longevity.

Next thing I would like to point out.
1.When being compared with Kushina's wounds it was stated that pulling the bijuu out of her alone should have killed her but she was going to make a full recovery from that,

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

2. she had just given birth which would have worn down her stamina,

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

3.even in her state she managed to bind the Kyuubi
4. place up a barrier.
5. In addition to moving fast enough to hop in front of Kurama's nail.
6. She then had enough chakra to be put into Naruto.
Now compare this to Tsunade who
1. Has shown her vital organs/spine destroyed and heart pierced only to come back kicking.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

2. Bisected but did in fact have her seal intact

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

3. Said she could take care of her wounds

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

4. Unlike Kushina is medic nin who can stop her bleeding and repair vital organs
So she took on a life threatening attack the same way Kushina did but unlike Kushina she had tools to aid her in her survival, had Kushina had medical skills on par with Tsunade she would still be alive

If you didn't think Kakashi was going to die.... that was your own fought I see both him and Gai dying. But all the forshadowing said Tsunade was going to live.
1. Dan saying don't come to soon

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

2. Tsunade saying when she bets her life that is a bet she doesn't lose.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

3. Tsunade reiterating she's betting her life

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

4. Tsunade telling Katsuyu worry about me later

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

5. Her grandpa and granduncle were revived
6. A sannin was revived and Sakura's training was incomplete
7. The cut-away Kishi did

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

8. The first time she described her jutsu she said she could regenerate organs and limbs. And what exactly was damaged by the tree? Organs and limbs.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

9. The four Hokages being all together... did you really think the final piece of the collection wouldn't be there too? She was obviously mentioned for a reason when the hokages were revived.
10. She had a moment in 577 where most people thought she would die.
Nextly it should be apparent that Tsunade was the last of the gokage to go down as she knew the positions of the other kage and the only she could have known that was if she was conscious and could see them as they went down. So don't say she should have gotten up and fought. She did what she could facing the full wrath of Madara as the last man standing. Furthermore, even if I'm incorrect here, how stupid would it have been for the medic to have only enough chakra to heal everyone else and herself and then decide to only treat herself and go back up the man who just tore her in half and leave the other kage to die. That plan makes no sense. Hell, playing possum would make a helluva lot more sense.


Finally, your last phrase makes no sense. Pein arc proves nothing of the sort you're saying as Tsunade released her entire seal to protect the villagers from Chou shinra Tensei. And if she has the seal that means she has the chakra. Her chakra ran out once, it was replenished and she didn't use it all again. It's not a difficult concept to understand in order for the seal to be there she needs chakra, in order to look young she needs chakra to spare.

 

[Bijuu13]

Kishi is messing up a lot. Kakashi dying to Obito was obvious imo.

Not like this though

 

[Ryuujin759]

Lol really... Tsunade is durable as ****. How did you really expect her to die?