Itachi vs 2nd Mizukage and Muu

[Gakido]

Conditions: Itachi is healthy while Mizukage and Muu are both living.

Knowledge: Manga intel

Arena: Land of Iron, snow is lightly falling.

Distance: 5 Meters

Restrictions: None​

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Itachi wins

The Sharingan counters both of their evenesce techniques. The Sharingan

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to mirage generated by Ohamaguri Kuchiyose. Since the mist must be continually given off, the Sharingan will see the movement in Chakra and will see that the

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. Itachi can deduce the the effects of the mist given that he is a veteran Genjutsu user and with the aid of his Eyes. Totsuka no Tsurugi is an optimal way of dealing with the immobile target.

Muu is a bit trickier. His Mujin ability completely surpresses and erases his Chakra signature,

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Given he is on the ground, Itachi will see the footprints and any changes in wind velocity. If Muu takes to the skies, then footprints point becomes null though the wind point stands. All of this is due to the Sharingans inate nature of noticing even the

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After decoding their veilings, Offense on Offense is the main problem. Whereas Itachi has the clear advantage, using Jinton completely voids Muu of Mujin as he must reveal his charka. Giving Itachi the chance to attack with one of his attacks which most of which are faster and can take advantage of the Charage time.

Joki boy doesn't pose much of a threat in the face of Susano'O as its destructive feats arn't capable of breaching the structure. The Mizukage himself hasn't shown full Hydraphication, meaning Amaterasu the most viable counter to the Mizukage's troubling body. Karasu Genjutsu can aid in a set up to this.

 

[Gakido]

Does anyone have any reservations with Itachi winnning?

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

either one on team 2 could win alone.
itachi can't see mu and his attacks are too slow/ocular based to work on him

2nd mizukage with a combination of oil body/clam genjutsu and jouki boi outlasts itachi. water gun forces him to use up susano. totsuka fails to do anything. putting ammy on jouki boi just makes it worse

The Sharingan gives color to mirage generated by Ohamaguri Kuchiyose. Since the mist must be continually given off, the Sharingan will see the movement in Chakra and will see that the Ohamaguri is the epicenter of the mist.

mirage creates fake everything. fake mizukage, fake clam. what itachi thinks is the epicentre is more mirages

Itachi will see the footprints and any changes in wind velocity

since when does sharingan show you changes in the wind?

Whereas Itachi has the clear advantage, using Jinton completely voids Muu of Mujin as he must reveal his charka

not if itachis looking the total other way

oki boy doesn't pose much of a threat in the face of Susano'O as its destructive feats arn't capable of breaching the structure.

doesnt have to, just keep itachi using it til he dies of exhaustion

 

[Lilt]

Does anyone have any reservations with Itachi winnning?

Itachi can see through genjutsu and invisibility, and neither Kage is fast enough to dodge Amaterasu.

Itachi's in a good position to win.

Joki Boy and especially the Jinton are still dangerous, but Itachi's Susano'o should buy him plenty of time.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Itachi can see through genjutsu and invisibility, and neither Kage is fast enough to dodge Amaterasu.

Itachi's in a good position to win.

Joki Boy and especially the Jinton are still dangerous, but Itachi's Susano'o should buy him plenty of time.

Not Muu's type of invisibility.

If Itachi is ever hit by Jinton, even in his susanoo, it's literally over.

 

[Lilt]

Not Muu's type of invisibility.

If Itachi is ever hit by Jinton, even in his susanoo, it's literally over.

There's really no consensus either way.

The Sharingan is said to see through ninjutsu, and Itachi's hyped to be the most perceptive of all.

As for the Jinton, if anything can stop it, then the Yata Mirror can.

 

[fastrthnwind]

There's really no consensus either way.

The Sharingan is said to see through ninjutsu, and Itachi's hyped to be the most perceptive of all.

As for the Jinton, if anything can stop it, then the Yata Mirror can.

Muu erases his entire existance when he goes invisible. The sharingan cannot "see" through what has been erased completely. It doesn't have that type of perception.

 

[Lilt]

Muu erases his entire existance when he goes invisible. The sharingan cannot "see" through what has been erased completely. It doesn't have that type of perception.

Yes, because exaggeration only exists when it comes to Itachi's jutsu; I forgot.

Mū can still be detected. Otherwise, Madara would not have defeated him.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Yes, because exaggeration only exists when it comes to Itachi's jutsu; I forgot.

Mū can still be detected. Otherwise, Madara would not have defeated him.

How do you know he even used sharingan to see him? It's baseless speculation. It can't be proven or disproven and henceforth cannot be used in a situation like this.

Muu cannot be detected by sharingan because there is no chakra to detect. That is the sharingans only form of sensory ability, therefore without any chakra to detect, the sharingan becomes useless. Even the byakugan could not "see" through Muus invisibility.

The only way to locate him that we know of is to see him reacting to the environment around him.

 

[Lilt]

How do you know he even used sharingan to see him? It's baseless speculation. It can't be proven or disproven and henceforth cannot be used in a situation like this.

What else would he sense him with? Nothing is as hyped as the Sharingan in seeing through jutsu.

Muu cannot be detected by sharingan because there is no chakra to detect.

Incorrect. There is chakra to detect; it's just concealed with a jutsu.

 

[fastrthnwind]

What else would he sense him with? Nothing is as hyped as the Sharingan in seeing through jutsu.

How about possibly using large AoE attacks that Muu has little chance of evading properly? Anyways as I said earlier, this is completely baseless speculation and because of that cannot be applied to this situation.

Incorrect. There is chakra to detect; it's just concealed with a jutsu.

There is no chakra to detect when he employs this jutsu. It's not that it's nonexistent. It's just that it is hidden so well that it is classified as nonexistent when in use. The sharingan uses its ability to record a persons chakra flow/color when using a jutsu to find out how it works. If there is no chakra to see, then it cannot see through the jutsu.

 

[Lilt]

How about possibly using large AoE attacks that Muu has little chance of evading properly?

Yeah, it's possible. But without a feat of Mū‎'s invinsibility trumping the Sharingan I see no reason to grant it such.

There is no chakra to detect when he employs this jutsu. It's not that it's nonexistent. It's just that it is hidden so well that it is classified as nonexistent when in use. The sharingan uses its ability to record a persons chakra flow/color when using a jutsu to find out how it works. If there is no chakra to see, then it cannot see through the jutsu.

Right, right. But like I said, there's no reason to assume it trumps the Sharingan's discernment:

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

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Mū has chakra. He just hides it with jutsu. The Sharingan excels at seeing through jutsu.

Call it a toss-up. But Itachi is much more exceptional in this area than other Sharingan users:

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So yeah, I'd side with Itachi spotting Mū, personally.

 

[Bijuu13]

Muu and Mizukage of course

 

[fastrthnwind]

Yeah, it's possible. But without a feat of Mū‎'s invinsibility trumping the Sharingan I see no reason to grant it such.

And the same thing could be said the other way. Without a feat(no assumptions) of the sharingan trumping Muu's invisibility, then I see no reason to grant it such.

Right, right. But like I said, there's no reason to assume it trumps the Sharingan:

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

Mū has chakra. He just hides it with jutsu. The Sharingan excels at seeing through jutsu.

Seems like a pretty straightforward toss-up. One can go with whichever hype they please.[/QUOTE]

The sharingan cannot discern what it cannot see. That is the power of this man's jutsu. He makes himself practically nonexistant

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Mū can still be detected. Otherwise, Madara would not have defeated him.

speculation. mu may not even have had invisibility vs madara

As for the Jinton, if anything can stop it, then the Yata Mirror can

a featless shield that has LITERALLY done nothing

 

[DemonicAvenger]

mirage creates fake everything. fake mizukage, fake clam. what itachi thinks is the epicentre is more mirages

The Sharingan will see the mist of Chakra. Thats undisputable, from there he can see the epicenter.

since when does sharingan show you changes in the wind?

It notices even the most minute of details. He will see a disturbance where Muu should be.

not if itachis looking the total other way

He wont be when he can deduce where Muu is.

doesnt have to, just keep itachi using it til he dies of exhaustion

Healthy Itachi is a diffrent story from an ill Itachi.