Why Sasuke is stronger than Minato (Alive)

[Gakido]

In this
thread I would like to outline why Sasuke in his EMS form is superior to Minato when he was alive. I've seen many suggest that its the other way around.

First things first​

The recent chapter has spurred on a ton of controversy about the match up. Though I would like to point out that this thread pertains to Minato when he was alive, hence negating his KCM.

Now lets continue onto the rest of the thread.

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Susano'O

Minato's Shunshin speed is all but negated by Susano'O. His speed can still be percieved by the Sharingan (

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. This is especially bad if he decides to add Blaze Release to the mix when he does so (

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If he struck with a Kunai, not only will it break (

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) Minato himself will be covered in Amaterasu. Ending the battle on a simple reaction.

Sasuke also doesn't need to concern himself with using other jutsu to main offence. He can simpley have Susano'O attack to force him to keep Minato on the defensive. (

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Genjutsu

Genjutsu will also play a part in the eventual set up for a finishing blow to Minato.

Minato is no less suceptable to Genjutsu than others. He's had no special training to avoid contact as Guy has. Sasuke can even cast Genjutsu at distance (

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The Genjutsu used against Danzo is his most effective in this situation. As its easier to land than his MS paralization Genjutsu and Minato will be unaware to the incoming attack, as Minato has no way of discerning such.

Sasuke only needs to cast one succesfull Genjutsu to set up for a finishing blow on Minato, wether it be an Susano'O arrow or Amaterasu.


Amaterasu

Amaterasu has no direct use in this battle. Minato can use FTG to dodge it and Blaze Release is even slower. It's, only real use is a combo after Genjutsu or as a defensive measure in conjunction with Susano'O.

Its ineffective as offensive pressure as Sasuke has other options that are less chakra draining.


Other Options

If Sasuke needs more offensive pressure, He can use Shruiken from within Susano'O (

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If Needed, Sasuke can use

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to help prep for Kirin. As this Justus alone was stated to created the needed conditions for an admitadly, smaller Kirin

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Katon - Gouryuuka no Jutsu
Uchiha Sasuke
Ninjutsu
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The user builds up a large amount of chakra inside them and spits it out in the form of a dragon that charges after its enemy. If mastered the user can spit out multiple dragons. This jutsu places more importance on certainty and power than range. The heat of the jutsu creates an upward draft and even cumulonimbus clouds. The moment the enemy gets caught in the fangs of this dragon they are destined to turn into ashes

Conclusion

The combination of Minato not being able to touch Sasuke due to Blaze Release: Susano'O, will keep Minato on the defensive while Sasuke is left to his own devices to attack and look for a Genjutsu opening. This battle will end with Sasuke either destroying the battlefield and Minato along with it due to Kirin, or Sasuke casting a Genjutsu and landing a finishing blow.

Or Minato could always mess up and make mistake of attacking Sasuke and get covered in Blaze Release.


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[~Sasuke~]

Nice evidence

 

[Haru70]

It was a good read. I agree bro.

 

[first sage hokage]

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[Omega]

what about the space time barrier? It fodderized a TBB from the Juubi.

 

[BREAKD]

Susano'O weares the user out very much, if Minato just plays on the defence (using FTG to hop around) untill Sasuke is all worn out, the game will be set in Minato's favor.
No further comments. We won't ever know until it happens.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Please don't

 

[first sage hokage]

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[The Necromancer]

It could easily go either way. But i favor sasuke in this fight.

 

[0jordinio0]

You seem to forget, that on top of it all. Minato is a Fuinjutsu master.

To be caught in a Genjutsu, Minato would have to be stupid enough to look in his eyes and slow enough for Sasuke to actually meet his eyes and lay the genjutsu.

Susano'o. It's a chakra construct. And there have been seals used that absorb chakra. Minato can place seals on people with his touch alone.

If Minato even touched Sasuke once, this fight would be over. Even if Sasuke got inside his Susano'o, Minato could just use FTG to teleport inside and take his head off with a Rasengan.

This was merely for glorifying Sasuke. You don't even look pointedly at Minato's abilities.

Kirin is an attack that hits with the speed of lightning. But, FTG is an instant teleportation jutsu. And even then, Minato has the reflexes needed to counter the attack head on with his space time barrier. And with it, he could redirect the Kirin straight back at Sasuke.

The only thing Sasuke has worth mentioning in this type of fight, is Susano'o. But even then, it could be sealed away or he could be killed from within' if Minato touched him before hand.

Let's not even mention, the fact that Minato can perform the kunai Kage Bunshin. Do that, withone of his three pronged Kunai and he could litter the battlefield with hundreds of Kunai to use FTG with.

Minato takes this. Stop making stupid threads to glorify people now, yeah?

 

[Gakido]

what about the space time barrier? It fodderized a TBB from the Juubi.

When he was an Edo. He has no such ability when he's alive as telporting the Kyuubi twice and two Bijudama's wore him out when he was in said state.

You seem to forget, that on top of it all. Minato is a Fuinjutsu master.

Only has one Fuuinjutsu feat, and thats Shiki Fuin.

To be caught in a Genjutsu, Minato would have to be stupid enough to look in his eyes and slow enough for Sasuke to actually meet his eyes and lay the genjutsu.

He isn't guy, he has no such training in no eye contact fighting. Plus i've already given evidence of no eye contact Genjutsu.

Susano'o. It's a chakra construct. And there have been seals used that absorb chakra. Minato can place seals on people with his touch alone.

This makes no sense. He'd have to get inside of Susano'O to touch him which he can't, and Obito already kept using Jutsu when he had a seal on him.

If Minato even touched Sasuke once, this fight would be over. Even if Sasuke got inside his Susano'o, Minato could just use FTG to teleport inside and take his head off with a Rasengan.

Already gave evidence of Sharingan following Minato, Susano'O stops Sasuke from being touched.

This was merely for glorifying Sasuke. You don't even look pointedly at Minato's abilities.

Why would I glorify Sasuke when I dont evne like him that much. He needs to get on Madara and Nagato's level.

Kirin is an attack that hits with the speed of lightning. But, FTG is an instant teleportation jutsu. And even then, Minato has the reflexes needed to counter the attack head on with his space time barrier. And with it, he could redirect the Kirin straight back at Sasuke.

where is he going to teleport to? The AoE takes him out. Even if he tries to redirect it, he still gets hit with the splash damage.

The only thing Sasuke has worth mentioning in this type of fight, is Susano'o. But even then, it could be sealed away or he could be killed from within' if Minato touched him before hand.

Already gave evidence as to why this is a load.

Let's not even mention, the fact that Minato can perform the kunai Kage Bunshin. Do that, withone of his three pronged Kunai and he could litter the battlefield with hundreds of Kunai to use FTG with.

Minato doesn't have that ability.

Minato takes this. Stop making stupid threads to glorify people now, yeah?

Not with this argument.

 

[The Necromancer]

You seem to forget, that on top of it all. Minato is a Fuinjutsu master.

To be caught in a Genjutsu, Minato would have to be stupid enough to look in his eyes and slow enough for Sasuke to actually meet his eyes and lay the genjutsu.

Susano'o. It's a chakra construct. And there have been seals used that absorb chakra. Minato can place seals on people with his touch alone.

If Minato even touched Sasuke once, this fight would be over. Even if Sasuke got inside his Susano'o, Minato could just use FTG to teleport inside and take his head off with a Rasengan.

This was merely for glorifying Sasuke. You don't even look pointedly at Minato's abilities.

Kirin is an attack that hits with the speed of lightning. But, FTG is an instant teleportation jutsu. And even then, Minato has the reflexes needed to counter the attack head on with his space time barrier. And with it, he could redirect the Kirin straight back at Sasuke.

The only thing Sasuke has worth mentioning in this type of fight, is Susano'o. But even then, it could be sealed away or he could be killed from within' if Minato touched him before hand.

Let's not even mention, the fact that Minato can perform the kunai Kage Bunshin. Do that, withone of his three pronged Kunai and he could litter the battlefield with hundreds of Kunai to use FTG with.

Minato takes this. Stop making stupid threads to glorify people now, yeah?

You're incorrect with a lot of these points, and the rest are mostly speculations.

 

[wael reda]

yes i think ems sasuke is stronger than alive minato without kuarma chakra

but 1 vs 1 fight ,i can't decide who would win but it is nearer to minato

 

[Twisted007]

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I have seen this reaction from you 3/4 times in the last 15 min. I have to ask, WHAT DO YOU READ?

 

[Bogard]

When he was an Edo. He has no such ability when he's alive as telporting the Kyuubi twice and two Bijudama's wore him out when he was in said state.

Edo doesn't give a supplement in chakra. Just look at Muu or 2nd Mizukage. Jockey boy worned out the 2nd Hokage to the point he could barely move and Muu couldn't use Jinton after spliting up. It's a misconception that Edo gives unlimited chakra. It's just the chakra that never runs out. Not as if it was even important in this battle anyway since Sasuke's attacks are ridiculous in terms of size compared to Kyubi's or Juubi's, so Minato should have no problem to warp them completely and instantly

Your genjutsu point is also moot since it's not Sasuke's speciality. It was considered weak by both Obito and Danzo. A Kage level shinobi likie Minato as smart as himself shouldn't even struggle to break it and that's if we suppose Minato would be idiot enough to look at Sasuke's eyes during a close range battle without thinking

 

[Gakido]

Edo doesn't give a supplement in chakra. Just look at Muu or 2nd Mizukage. Jockey boy worned out the 2nd Hokage to the point he could barely move and Muu couldn't use Jinton after spliting up. It's a misconception that Edo gives unlimited chakra. It's just the chakra that never runs out. Not as if it was even important in this battle anyway since Sasuke's attacks are ridiculous in terms of size compared to Kyubi's or Juubi's, so Minato should have no problem to warp them completely and instantly

Thats why Madara said "Limitless/Unlimited" Chakra right? (depends on the translation)

Also, Minato's FTG takes a porportional amount of chakra to the thing that he warps and when he has "Limitless/Never - Edning" chakra. It would make sense he could warp it.

Your genjutsu point is also moot since it's not Sasuke's speciality. It was considered weak by both Obito and Danzo. A Kage level shinobi likie Minato as smart as himself shouldn't even struggle to break it and that's if we suppose Minato would be idiot enough to look at Sasuke's eyes during a close range battle without thinking

Thats why Sasuke has used Genjutsu in every single fight in Shippuden? and Danzo was fooled by Said Genjutsu?

Its weak compared to Itachi's is what they were implying, but Sasuke is one of the best Genjutsu users in the manga.

 

[Bogard]

Thats why Madara said "Limitless/Unlimited" Chakra right? (depends on the translation)

Also, Minato's FTG takes a porportional amount of chakra to the thing that he warps and when he has "Limitless/Never - Edning" chakra. It would make sense he could warp it.

You don't get it. The chakra never runs out which means that after a certain point, it comes up again. It doesn't mean you can use techniques your were incapable to when you were alive. I'll just give an example. It's as if you had 5 in chakra(max). If an attack needs 3/5 of your chakra to be used, after that it will remain 2 only. But because of Edo tensei regenerative capacities, while recovering your chakra, you could use it again. Which means that for example if an attack requires 6 in chakra, someone with 5 in chakra(Edo or not) couldn't use it. Reason why if we take Muu for example. If he had 5 in chakra at base, and need 3/5 of his chakra to use Jinton, by spliting himself, he would only remain with 2.5 in chakra at base. And thus couldn't use Jinton in this form. The same thing can be said and explained concerning the 2nd Mizukage

Thats why Sasuke has used Genjutsu in every single fight in Shippuden? and Danzo was fooled by Said Genjutsu?

Its weak compared to Itachi's is what they were implying, but Sasuke is one of the best Genjutsu users in the manga.

No it's clearly said by Tobi that Sasuke's genjutsu is weak in general. He never said compared to Itachi

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[Gakido]

You don't get it. The chakra never runs out which means that after a certain point, it comes up again. It doesn't mean you can use techniques your were incapable to when you were alive. I'll just give an example. It's as if you had 5 in chakra(max). If an attack needs 3/5 of your chakra to be used, after that it will remain 2 only. But because of Edo tensei regenerative capacities, while recovering your chakra, you could use it again. Which means that for example if an attack requires 6 in chakra, someone with 5 in chakra(Edo or not) couldn't use it. Reason why if we take Muu for example. If he had 5 in chakra at base, and need 3/5 of his chakra to use Jinton, by spliting himself, he would only remain with 2.5 in chakra at base. And thus couldn't use Jinton in this form. The same thing can be said and explained concerning the 2nd Mizukage

None of that has ever been implied nor does that explain why when he was alive he wasn't able to teleport the same amount of chakra.

No it's clearly said by Tobi that Sasuke's genjutsu is weak in general. He never said compared to Itachi

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Do you even english? He said "A weak Genjutsu that doesn't last long" He was refering to the Genjutsu that Sasuke used, not his Genjutsu abilities.

 

[Waltz]

Hmmm Depends.

Sasuke has no knowledge of how Minato's jutsu works neither his fighting style; if he initially engages in CQC he's bound to be tagged and could face a fatal blow. However Namikaze being a close range fighter is some what a disadvantage. In addition to your counters, once Sasuke realizes how FTG works he'd simply set all of Minato's surrounding Kunai on fire and counter incoming one's with his own [

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[Minator93]

Wait a Minute I thought I posted in this thread, but its the duplicate of this

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Why dafuq are you spamming, its a wrong section as well. Pitiful attempts to get more posts and comments for a failed thread.