wow .. Kisame actually Can beat minato handily . His strongest technique is what rasengan? V2 Lariat >> Rasengan which kisame recovered from ... there may be a new most underrated akatsuki .. :/ but ya team 2 Wins
wow .. Kisame actually Can beat minato handily . His strongest technique is what rasengan? V2 Lariat >> Rasengan which kisame recovered from ... there may be a new most underrated akatsuki .. :/ but ya team 2 Wins
Yeah, i'm sure that's what it was. Actually took me 5 minutes while sipping on a glass of OJ by looking 3 pages back into my posts to locate the thread. But don't worry about how it took me.
In response to Lariat not killing Sasuke and Kisame. Try reading the manga sometime. Their survival depended on them getting healed.
So Did a toads stomach acid ... I dont think its as big as an oodoma its ALMOST as big ? And even so .. if he does not tank it and recover .. he absorbs it ..
Yeah, i'm sure that's what it was. Actually took me 5 minutes while sipping on a glass of OJ by looking 3 pages back into my posts to locate the thread. But don't worry about how it took me.
In response to Lariat not killing Sasuke and Kisame. Try reading the manga sometime. Their survival depended on them getting healed.
Rasengan killed Deva, sand guy, Spiral Zetsu and would have killed Kabuto.
So Did a toads stomach acid ... I dont think its as big as an oodoma its ALMOST as big ? And even so .. if he does not tank it and recover .. he absorbs it ..
But anyways How many can he absorb? if he merges with Samehada all of them .. IF thats the case why can he not simply do that to kisame .. or any opponent he faces .. " send them back to konoha"
1. Kisame taking shelter under water is a very viable counter for FTG because Minato will not be able to utilize his unmatched speed here. On the contrary, Kisame is
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without his fusion mode with Samehada. Now, here is where you are wrong. Kisame is able to create shark missiles by the hundreds to thousands. This number is far greater then the amount of Kunais Minato is able to spread out, thus overwhelming him with an impossible amount to avoid. If Minato is waiting on the surface, he will get hit by an undodgeable onslaught of sharks. If he decides to teleport to any sunken Kunai, he can be met by Kisame or any amount of his sharks there as well. Without prep time or any way of completely teleporting out of the battlefield, he has no way of avoiding 1,000 of Kisames sharks as his amount of Kunai selection pales in comparison.
2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but
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upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad. Even then, the toad and Minato are still susceptible to getting caught in a larger water prison immediately after. Also, before I move on, I'd like to point out that Water Clones have
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This might not sound like a lot, but while discussing Kisame, this is. A Kisame clone with 3/10 of his original power is more then enough for him to create a giant lake, imagine what a bunch of clones with 1/10 of his power can do as well.
Dealing With Rasengan
Rasengan isn't life threatening due to Kisames durability and his own innate chakra absorption abilities, as well as Samehada's. Despite the speed and area of which Minato attacks Kisame, the rasengan will be absorbed. Whether the entirety of it being absorbed or just a portion of it is uncertain, but the fact remains, it will be absorbed. Why is it a fact? Because anything chakra based within the vicinity of Kisame and Samehada gets absorbed, no matter the speed, no matter the direction. Samehada absorbing
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is proof of this. And if he gets hit, Samehada simply heals Kisame with the chakra that was just absorbed.
And Minato isn't teleporting anything to Konoha without prep time which wasn't granted in the OP.
1. Kisame taking shelter under water is a very viable counter for FTG because Minato will not be able to utilize his unmatched speed here. On the contrary, Kisame is
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without his fusion mode with Samehada. Now, here is where you are wrong. Kisame is able to create shark missiles by the hundreds to thousands. This number is far greater then the amount of Kunais Minato is able to spread out, thus overwhelming him with an impossible amount to avoid. If Minato is waiting on the surface, he will get hit by an undodgeable onslaught of sharks. If he decides to teleport to any sunken Kunai, he can be met by Kisame or any amount of his sharks there as well. Without prep time or any way of completely teleporting out of the battlefield, he has no way of avoiding 1,000 of Kisames sharks as his amount of Kunai selection pales in comparison.
2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but
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upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad. Even then, the toad and Minato are still susceptible to getting caught in a larger water prison immediately after. Also, before I move on, I'd like to point out that Water Clones have
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This might not sound like a lot, but while discussing Kisame, this is. A Kisame clone with 3/10 of his original power is more then enough for him to create a giant lake, imagine what a bunch of clones with 1/10 of his power can do as well.
Dealing With Rasengan
Rasengan isn't life threatening due to Kisames durability and his own innate chakra absorption abilities, as well as Samehada's. Despite the speed and area of which Minato attacks Kisame, the rasengan will be absorbed. Whether the entirety of it being absorbed or just a portion of it is uncertain, but the fact remains, it will be absorbed. Why is it a fact? Because anything chakra based within the vicinity of Kisame and Samehada gets absorbed, no matter the speed, no matter the direction. Samehada absorbing
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is proof of this. And if he gets hit, Samehada simply heals Kisame with the chakra that was just absorbed.
And Minato isn't teleporting anything to Konoha without prep time which wasn't granted in the OP.
On the next page he's surprised by kushina's action. He didn't expect her to use her chains, nor did he expect her to try dragging the kyuubi in.
Which is further exemplified
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by the fact that he tells her she doesn't need to suicide with the fox. She actually took him by surprise with his actions, he wasn't asking her for that help.
FTG
You misunderstand minato's fighting style. It doesn't matter if the kunais sink; it's about the kunais he toss
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- which is at such a speed that neither a sharingan user with instant tangibility, nor the fastest man out, had enough time to react. Those kunai are the ones that matter. And, as we've seen,
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There is also the fact that on contact, minato instantly tags you
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. Whereby, any form of taijutsu combat against him becomes a fruitless endeavor... Because, one he has that tag in, he's able to swiftly move towards you at such a high speed that you have no time to react
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So, what does all this tell us? This shows us that FTG is in no way counterable by kisame. Infact, the only way to counter ftg is to effectively stay far out of minato's range, which is virtually impossible as he even has shushin allowing him to cross vast distances very quickly( As seen when he shushined kushina to the tree when kyuubi attacked). This makes it an uphill battle for kisame. Also, regardless of whether or not the kunai are under what, that in no way stops minato from teleporting to them. We've seen many times that ninja survive under water for countless periods of time without drowning. Thus, a sunken kunai can still offer split second dodges when they're needed. Now, I understand that kisame can just sit under water to avoid thrown kunai etc, thereby countering FtG to some extent, but it is not a full counter, thus leaving him open to exploitation.
NB. Kisame sitting under water to avoid ftg, doesn't mean he now has any possible way of hitting minato, as minatos FtG (for defensive capabilities) is in no way hindered).
So, Let's move on.
Kisame's Healing
Now, You bring up a valid point (which i brought up already, anyway) about kisame healing. But, you're forgetting a crucial aspect of his healing. Kisame heals off of samehade's chakra
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, but samehade acquires it's chakra from the opponent. See, kisame and samehade are in a sort of mutualistic relationship. Samehade feeds off of kisame's chakra, but allows kisame to feed off of it's own when the time comes in order to keep it's host (kisame) alive. But, the thing is, the amount of damage kisame can heal is based on the amount of chakra he can get from samehade. The thing is, fighting against minato, there is little to no chakra to steal. Infact, the only chakra he'd steal is from a rasengan, but if minato were to use an FTG v2 rasengan, the speed with which it was used would be too great for even samehade to have sufficient time to absorb. Infact, samehade may not even be in position, nor might samehade have started the absorption since the attacked would have literally appeared 2 inches from kisame's back, from out of no where (refer to previous scans). This would be a devastating blow to kisame as we've seen that even an incomplete rasengan was sufficient enough to cause severe internal bleeding to an opponent who 'prepared a defence' and was healing; this was done to the point that they couldn't heal all the damage.
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An attack so powerful that minato was able to make a crater when he hit tobito. The power of this attack cannot be underestimated, nor can the internal damage it causes. Though kisame would have enough latent chakra to heal from 1, or even 2, he would not have enough chakra to take a 3rd rasengan, or kunai slashes mixed with rasengans. His healing potential would be effectively worn out due to his inability to absorb his opponents chakra.
WD and GSB
Now, kisame does have his trump card, the GSB, but more importantly, WD. But, would any of these work? The simple answer is; no.
Firstly, GSB needs to hit it's target to be of any effect. An attack of that size, and that 'speed' can easily be countered by someone of minato's calibre. Minato has several options here. He can either;
Summon 'bunta to tank the attack (even if bunta dies)
He could FTG away
He could shunshin away(as seen when he covered a vast distance when kyuubi attacked kushina
And he could even use S/T barrier to completely redirect the attack
All these options reduce GSB into a useless attack as it will not acquire chakra to grow (since minato has never shown any form of chakra based jutsu which can effectively block such a large attack, so there's no reason to believe he'd try to counter it with a chakra based attack), nor will it hit it's intended target. Infact, 1000 Shark bullets would be a better option, but even then, toads would be a viable counter to those as bunta's speed and water bullets would be sufficient (small shark bombs don't absorb chakra).
As for WD. Sure, Kisame has minato in a bit of a bind here, but once again, toads help to counter this jutsu. Firstly there's no evidence stating that the toads wouldn't be able to even defend minato under water and put pressure on kisame. Kisame is strong, but he isn't strong enough to contend with a few massive toads and minato at the same time, even in WD. But, more importantly, minato can use the same trick that bee used so that he could get a tagged toad out of WD. From there, he simply FTG's to said toad thereby nullifying WD. Outside of WD kisame can no longer directly sense his location and would need to release his jutsu to continue the fight. Even in the case he could, now that they're out, bunta would be of sufficient speed to simply outrun WD.
*Bunta jumping rougly 8x his body length, which would clearly be alot faster than kisame could hope to move his entire WD.
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EDIT: Kisame can sense them even out of WD, but while they're out the dome would be ineffective anyway. Minato can simply summon two toads and have them go in different directions so he can teleport between them as necessary. Also, the size of the dome is directly related to the amount of chakra kisame is able to produce. His dome became so massive because of all the chakra he stole from bee. Against minato, he won't be able to produce a WD on such a massive scale.
Finaly, in the off chance that Minato cannot escape WD by some stroke of the imagination, a simple double-death through his long ranged RDS ends the battle. In the end it becomes a draw which would still mean that kisame didn't beat minato.
Some final points
I would like to point out that (in the scan i provided of minato vs raikage) minato struck bee's tentacle with such force/with such a strong attack that he was not only able to cut his tentacle, but also create a small crater in the ground. A powerful attack of that level would leave kisame severely injured and reliant on Samehade's healing.
Rasengan, Heavy hitting kunai strikes, all leave kisame relying on samehade's chakra. But, samehade's chakra reserves (which would most likely built a little from minato potentially using chakra based attacks at the beginning of the fight) would slowly deplete. We've yet to see minato use any attack, apart from rasengan, which can be absorbed by samehade. Therefore, there is little chakra for samehade to absorb, unlike with bee's cloak.
Toad summons -- let's just go with bunta for now since people, for some reason, can't understand that a toad contract allows you to summon all toads -- put kisame in a bind since the toad's high speed movements, and powerful taijutsu attacks would pressure kisame. Even a direct sword hit from bunta would devastate kisame and potentially even kill him. We've even seen that samehade shouldn't take direct hits because it can be hurt and generally avoids very powerful, damaging attacks.
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There's also the fact that minato contains fuuinjutsu allowing him to effectively mess with kisame's ability to effectively use his chakra. This proves a bigger problem as we've seen that minato doesn't necessarily need for his opponent to stand infront of him stationary while he prepares his jutsu, and is able to use seals on the fly, even during FTG;
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Finally, This is all assuming that minato is retarded and only has the EXTREMELY limited arsenal that he's showcased. The fact that minato may potentially;
- Be able to summon Ma and PA
- Have sage mode
- Have barrier techniques
- Have a wide variety of sealing techniques
All throw this fight far out of Kisame's reach. There is a definite reason why minato is the only person in the series with a flee on sight order, and why he was chosen over orochimaru (hiruzen's favourite). We just haven't seen it yet. He's supposedly so powerful, that he's even being hyped to this point, among all this shit that's happening in the war. Hashirama lived up/surpassed his hype, minato (and probably hiruzen) will live up to theirs too.
His inability to hit his opponent; absorb alot of chakra from his opponents; avoid his opponents attacks; will all, ultimately, lead to kisame's defeat. Minato would win mid-high difficulty at best.
Despite not being able to open any of the links you provided, this was a great post. I don't even know where to start, so i'll just address everything in order.
Flying Thunder God
Firstly, I am fully aware of Flying Thunder God V2 and how it works. However, it still doesn't accomplish much because:
Kisame can take shelter under water (A reason you have stated)
Mizu Bunshins
1. Kisame taking shelter under water is a very viable counter for FTG because Minato will not be able to utilize his unmatched speed here. On the contrary, Kisame is
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without his fusion mode with Samehada. Now, here is where you are wrong. Kisame is able to create shark missiles by the hundreds to thousands. This number is far greater then the amount of Kunais Minato is able to spread out, thus overwhelming him with an impossible amount to avoid. If Minato is waiting on the surface, he will get hit by an undodgeable onslaught of sharks. If he decides to teleport to any sunken Kunai, he can be met by Kisame or any amount of his sharks there as well. Without prep time or any way of completely teleporting out of the battlefield, he has no way of avoiding 1,000 of Kisames sharks as his amount of Kunai selection pales in comparison.
2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but
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upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad. Even then, the toad and Minato are still susceptible to getting caught in a larger water prison immediately after. Also, before I move on, I'd like to point out that Water Clones have
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This might not sound like a lot, but while discussing Kisame, this is. A Kisame clone with 3/10 of his original power is more then enough for him to create a giant lake, imagine what a bunch of clones with 1/10 of his power can do as well.
Kisame's Healing Abilities
Let me start by saying, if Kisame is put into a position where he needs to heal himself, that means he has gotten hit by a rasengan, which isn't life threatening due to Kisames durability and his own innate chakra absorption abilities, as well as Samehada's. Despite the speed and area of which Minato attacks Kisame, the rasengan will be absorbed. Whether the entirety of it being absorbed or just a portion of it is uncertain, but the fact remains, it will be absorbed. Why is it a fact? Because anything chakra based within the vicinity of Kisame and Samehada gets absorbed, no matter the speed, no matter the direction. Samehada absorbing
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is proof of this.
Now, you brought up a very valid point about the amount of damage Kisame can heal depends on how much chakra he can receive from Samehada. However, don't feel like your teaching me something new, as my knowledge on Kisame and all his capabilities are superb. As you may know, Samehada grows in size as he absorbs chakra and becomes smaller as chakra is taken. With that being said, take a close look at the size of Samehada prior to healing Kisame
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Samehada is roughly the size of Kisame, maybe a little bigger. Now take a look at Samehada after healing Kisame, right
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Samehada is roughly the same exact size as he was prior to healing Kisame, which indicates not a lot of chakra is required. Therefore, Samehada is perfectly capable of doing the same without having to first absorb a large amount of chakra. Furthermore, neither a rasengan or kunai is defeating Kisame.
Water Dome
*Note: GSB is practically useless here and doesn't need to be mentioned
Your point about Minato tagging each of the toads as they separate and FTG out of the WD to the one that got is interesting. I must admit, I never thought of this. However, that doesn't save him. Minato, who has no knowledge on the WD, has to first notice that it is moving with Kisame, who is the center piece. How long it will take Minato to figure it out, is uncertain. BUT. I can't stress this enough. Kisame had no intentions of killing Bee, thus allowing him to move about until all his chakra is depleted. That isn't the case here and Kisame is going for the kill. Thus not allowing Minato all the time in the world to hatch up a plan. Also, Kisamehada is perfectly capable of out maneuvering a few large toads in the WD. After all, it is his domain.
Your point about Kisame not being able to produce such a massive WD without first absorbing any bijuu level chakra isn't true. Let's go back to the size of Samehada, who is practically the container of a large portion of the Hachibi's chakra.
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is the size of Samehada prior to healing Kisame and WD, and
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is the size of Samehada after healing Kisame but prior to WD. This indicates it was Kisames massive chakra reserves as the size Samehada didn't become smaller. Furthermore, take a further look at the last scan of Kisame using the water dome and
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Kisame created with less then 30% of his chakra. They are nearly the same. Kisame is perfectly capable of accomplishing a WD of this size on his own as his chakra reserves are near limitless. Goes back on me saying this guy is a broken character.
Why Kisame wins
In conclusion and addition to what I posted above, everything in Minatos limited arsenal is countered by Kisame. His summons may be a slight problem, but won't change the deciding factor in who wins this match up. The 1,000 sharks (Kisame can even create more) will easily overwhelm them. Kisame can even hide in one of them and, as crazy as it sounds, blitz Minato with sheer numbers. Minato and his summons have no way of getting out of the WD alive. They have no intel on it and Kisame is going for the kill. Even if Minato manages to figure out the mechanics of the WD before meeting is undeniable fate and commands his toads to disperse, it won't accomplish anything. Again, Kisame can either summon sharks and/or create shark bombs to disperse in every direction and devour the toads. If Kisames intent is to kill, there is no getting out of the Water Dome alive.
Is my opinion on Kisame defeating Minato subject to change once we see more of Minato? Absolutely. But with the arsenal that he has now, he doesn't have a chance.
Alright, I'm still not in the mood, but i'll post some quick replies without scans.
Good post I did forget about water clones, but if you refer to my previous one, I used the frogs as a counter to 1000 sharks. As we can see with guy, they aren't too resiliant, so a few sword swings, and water bullets, from gamabunta would take them out bit by bit. Minato sits on gamabunta for safety while he does his thing.
I cannot refute your rasengan point as I myself am an avid debater for kisame. I understand his innate absorption alongside samehade's so I can't say whether or not the rasengan would be fully absorbed. But, the thing to remember is that there needs to be time for the attack to be absorbed, minato appears a few inches from you, thus not sufficient time would possibly be had to fully absorb the attack. But, you're possibly right, and the rasengan may be fully absorbed, though unlikely, in that short time, because of the amount of chakra it contains.
I would like to make the point that we did not get a very good view on samehade after he healed kisame, so the point about his size is a bit skewed. However, I'd like you to not that, though samehade had to supply chakra to heal critical wounds, they weren't so bad as to require too much chakra. So, Samehade didn't need to supply that much chakra and potentially didn't decrease too much in size, BUT samehade had absorbed roughly 15 tails worth of cloaks from bee. Samehade had already acquired a mass of chakra from bee. Therefore, alongside kisame's bijuu like chakra, samehade was holding another bijuu sized reservoir. When samehade and kisame fuse, they combine chakra, therefore kisame had a staggering amount of chakra to pull off that large water dome.
I'd also like to point out that his water shockwave was in no way close to the size of great water shockwave. Great water shockwave towered into the sky and above mountains, whereas (30%) water shockwave didn't - refer to your scans.
*This paragraph responds to your next one about WD also*
It didn't take the 8 tails that long to figure it out infact. Therefore, it shouldn't take minato long either. The time it takes isn't certain, but the hachibi figured it out in a short time span, therefore minato could potentially figure it out even faster (since he is a very analytical ninja)
I respect your point about Kisamehade taking on toads in WD, it was a bit ignorant of me to say he couldn't. but, the toads do not have to win, they only need to protect minato and by him time to 'escape' the dome. First, minato will do what bee did and try to run. He'd see that kisame is faster than him and use tagged toads to swim (since they should be faster than him in water), while other toads defend him from kisame. These tagged toads would act as a source for him to FTG away from kisame, and because of his quick reaction speed and sensor abilities, kisame wouldn't get a chance to reach close enough to him to get in a hit (FTG, Sensor abilities, Toads on defence, just to clarrify). Eventually he'd come to the conclussion that the WD is moving with kisame and tell the tagged toads to effectively split up thus ensuring an escape route. NOW, I understand your point about kisame launching jutsu at the frogs to kill them off while he hunts down minato, BUT, the frogs have been the source of his defence, AND they aren't weak. We've seen that shark bullets aren't too resilient and can be destroyed with a powerful enough attack, therefore, if only 2 frogs can make it out through the on slaught, minato has effectively escaped and can now use the ground to move around freely.
If you require a better response, tell me, i'll provide scans and yada yada...
I'd just like to point out a few other things.
You said that a kunai wouldn't defeat kisame, but that isn't true. As we saw in the bee vs raikage fight (my link didn't work ) minato was able to cut bee's tentacles and create a crater. That kind of attack would be devastating to kisame and have him reliant on healing. Also, frog cart destroyer would be another devastating blow which would cause him some serious damage.
Then, if all else fails, minato can go for a draw with RDS.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't find it very viable that a few water bullets and sword slashes will take out every single shark. Sure, Gamabunta will take out, maybe a few hundred, but a 1,000? That is extremely overwhelming.
Gamabunta was only able to produce 2 water bullets to match the Shukakus 4 air bullets.
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jutsu.
I, myself, don't believe that Kisame and Samehada will be able to absorb the entire rasengan in time due to the very small window given. (Assuming Minato attacked the right Kisame and not a Mizu Bunshin) But the fact remains, that the attack will not be fully powered because Kisame and Samehada will begin absorbing the chakra the instant Minato gets within there vicinity. Thus making it significantly weaker and even possibly tank-able without needing Samehada to heal.
It isn't the best view, but you can clearly see they are still roughly the same size. In response to your comment about, Kisame's wounds not being very bad, that only strengthens my argument that rasengan won't injure him as badly either.
My point still stands that the water dome was made from Kisames chakra reserves alone. Kisame and Samehada didn't fuse until after the water dome. Yes, the fusion replenished Kisames chakra, but the water dome was done entirely by him.
@ Bold: The water shockwave didn't stagger over mountains only because it had to spread out through the entire area, whereas the Water Dome did not. To get a better look at the amount of water that Kisame was able to muster up with less then 30% of his chakra:
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Notice not only the vast terrain it consumed, but the great depth as well. I'm not saying it exactly the same amount that was needed for the WD, but it surely isn't a huge difference where the WD would consume the majority of Kisames chakra considering the amount of water he can create with less then 30%.
But again, Kisame was merely playing with Bee in the WD. His goal was to get Bee to exhaust his chakra, not to kill. With that being said, would he even give Minato the chance to come up with a counter? And how many toads do you think Minato will be able to summon? Keep in mind, that if Kisame has resorted to the WD, this means the fight had to exculate and Minato has used some of his chakra before hand, as well as his chakra being absorbed in the WD as well. I don't find it viable for him to summon more then 2 boss toads, 3 being the max. Kisame doesn't necessarily have to fire off Shark bombs. He can summon a number of real life sharks as he did when committing suicide, to hound the toads.
Now, let's just say Minato does make it out of the WD. He has already exhausted a huge amount of his chakra to summon the toads, use FTG, and the amount that was drained from him while being inside. Meanwhile, Kisame has been replenishing his chakra from the amount he absorbed from Minato and his toads. Minato will run out before Kisame and won't be able to keep up, ultimately leading to his defeat.
Also, I don't remember it being confirmed that Minato has sensor abilities. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Don't you think that's a bit far fetch'd to say it was a Kunai that left a crater in the earth? A Kunai slash doesn't leave craters, they cut. The crater you see
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was created by Bee's heavy tentacles hitting the ground as it did to water
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How is cart destroyer going to do much damage when there going to be standing on water and Kisame can retreat under the surface?
If Minato has to resort to RDS, that means he lost. Thus Kisame>Minato. And that's also assuming Minato gets the right Kisame and not a Mizu Bunshin as well as no sharks coming to Kisames aid as Minato is standing still.
What you're forgetting is that gamabunta is roughly the size of that large wave. If you look at the size of guy to the wave, and then naruto to bunta in the scan you provided - naruto barely even being visible, you'd see that bunta's sword along is massive in comparison to that wave. Then there's the fact that guy basically used air pressure to beat the sharks (because of high speed punching), therefore a sword swing accompanied by it's pressure wave should do the same trick
It was basically confirmed he was a sensor when he sensed obito behind him, and sensed the kumogakure nin; therefore showing he has some familiarity with sensing.
Also, If you notice minato's location in relation to the tentacle, you'd see he barely touched it but yet cut throw the entire tentacle. That's not even possible, because of the small size of his kunai, therefore it had to be a really powerful attack and not bee's tentacle hitting the ground.
If minato resorts to RDS, that actually more means he wins since it's his jutsu which caused the draw.
In any case, in light of your retort to WD, I'll have to say this debate is over. Until i see more of what minato is actually capable of, Kisame would take this mid-high diff. I could easily say he summons a bunch of small toads, but they won't stand up to sharks, and it's unlikely he can summon a bunch of boss toads especially since I'm not sure how deep his chakra well goes.
Tsunade's only input into this fight would be constant chakra transfer, but that would just speed up the overral chakra depletion of team 1. Really, Kisame alone would severely hamper Team 1 and reduce their chakra level significantly. Adding Oro with Manda just skews it more.
Tsunade's only input into this fight would be constant chakra transfer, but that would just speed up the overral chakra depletion of team 1. Really, Kisame alone would severely hamper Team 1 and reduce their chakra level significantly. Adding Oro with Manda just skews it more.
Kismae drains Tsuande's chakra and she'll be useless. The only way for Minato to defeat Orochimaru would require him to commit suicide.
Orochimaru with the very few feats shown beats Tsunade, if all else fails he would seal her chakra away (5 element seal). Kisame and Minato would be good, Minato doesn't have great offensive power and Kismae controls the battlefield it'll be in his favor.
Kismae drains Tsuande's chakra and she'll be useless. The only way for Minato to defeat Orochimaru would require him to commit suicide.
Orochimaru with the very few feats shown beats Tsunade, if all else fails he would seal her chakra away (5 element seal). Kisame and Minato would be good, Minato doesn't have great offensive power and Kismae controls the battlefield it'll be in his favor.
Kismae drains Tsuande's chakra and she'll be useless. The only way for Minato to defeat Orochimaru would require him to commit suicide.
Orochimaru with the very few feats shown beats Tsunade, if all else fails he would seal her chakra away (5 element seal). Kisame and Minato would be good, Minato doesn't have great offensive power and Kismae controls the battlefield it'll be in his favor.
Anyhow, he doesn't need to port it to Konoha. For all I care he can port it to Tsunade who breaks it in two.
2. Water Clones are another viable counter for FTG. Being that Minato has to throw his Kunais at Kisame, the clones can not only defend Kisame, but liquify upon contact and capture not only the Kunai, but possibly Minato as well into a water prison. Now, if Minato didn't spread his FTG Kunai around prior to this, then he has no way of getting out other then summoning a giant toad.
Secondly he doesn't know Tsunade is marked with FTG.
Minato can simply jump to Tsunade if things get awry.
Rasengan isn't life threatening due to Kisames durability and his own innate chakra absorption abilities, as well as Samehada's. Despite the speed and area of which Minato attacks Kisame, the rasengan will be absorbed. Whether the entirety of it being absorbed or just a portion of it is uncertain, but the fact remains, it will be absorbed. Why is it a fact? Because anything chakra based within the vicinity of Kisame and Samehada gets absorbed, no matter the speed, no matter the direction.
By that logic, Kisame will be able to absorb a bijuudama.
Kisame already took a v2 lariat and his chest went boom. If Minato rasengans him, he will suffer similar damage or even greater since rasengan > lariat.
However, if he gets rasengan'd he will be taggled and then Minato simply rasengans him in the head or stabs a kunai in his head.
This is not debatable, once he is marked he is dead. He has no way to react to FTG or avoid a kunai in the face since Minato can appear anywhere around him.
Kismae drains Tsuande's chakra and she'll be useless.
) minato was able to cut bee's tentacles and create a crater. That kind of attack would be devastating to kisame and have him reliant on healing. Also, frog cart destroyer would be another devastating blow which would cause him some serious damage.
