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On the next page he's surprised by kushina's action. He didn't expect her to use her chains, nor did he expect her to try dragging the kyuubi in.
Which is further exemplified
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by the fact that he tells her she doesn't need to suicide with the fox. She actually took him by surprise with his actions, he wasn't asking her for that help.FTG
You misunderstand minato's fighting style. It doesn't matter if the kunais sink; it's about the kunais he toss
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and teleport to
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- which is at such a speed that neither a sharingan user with instant tangibility, nor the fastest man out, had enough time to react. Those kunai are the ones that matter. And, as we've seen,
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.There is also the fact that on contact, minato instantly tags you
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. Whereby, any form of taijutsu combat against him becomes a fruitless endeavor... Because, one he has that tag in, he's able to swiftly move towards you at such a high speed that you have no time to react
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. So, what does all this tell us? This shows us that FTG is in no way counterable by kisame. Infact, the only way to counter ftg is to effectively stay far out of minato's range, which is virtually impossible as he even has shushin allowing him to cross vast distances very quickly( As seen when he shushined kushina to the tree when kyuubi attacked). This makes it an uphill battle for kisame. Also, regardless of whether or not the kunai are under what, that in no way stops minato from teleporting to them. We've seen many times that ninja survive under water for countless periods of time without drowning. Thus, a sunken kunai can still offer split second dodges when they're needed. Now, I understand that kisame can just sit under water to avoid thrown kunai etc, thereby countering FtG to some extent, but it is not a full counter, thus leaving him open to exploitation.
NB. Kisame sitting under water to avoid ftg, doesn't mean he now has any possible way of hitting minato, as minatos FtG (for defensive capabilities) is in no way hindered).
So, Let's move on.
Kisame's Healing
Now, You bring up a valid point (which i brought up already, anyway) about kisame healing. But, you're forgetting a crucial aspect of his healing. Kisame heals off of samehade's chakra
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, but samehade acquires it's chakra from the opponent. See, kisame and samehade are in a sort of mutualistic relationship. Samehade feeds off of kisame's chakra, but allows kisame to feed off of it's own when the time comes in order to keep it's host (kisame) alive. But, the thing is, the amount of damage kisame can heal is based on the amount of chakra he can get from samehade. The thing is, fighting against minato, there is little to no chakra to steal. Infact, the only chakra he'd steal is from a rasengan, but if minato were to use an FTG v2 rasengan, the speed with which it was used would be too great for even samehade to have sufficient time to absorb. Infact, samehade may not even be in position, nor might samehade have started the absorption since the attacked would have literally appeared 2 inches from kisame's back, from out of no where (refer to previous scans). This would be a devastating blow to kisame as we've seen that even an incomplete rasengan was sufficient enough to cause severe internal bleeding to an opponent who 'prepared a defence' and was healing; this was done to the point that they couldn't heal all the damage.
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An attack so powerful that minato was able to make a crater when he hit tobito. The power of this attack cannot be underestimated, nor can the internal damage it causes. Though kisame would have enough latent chakra to heal from 1, or even 2, he would not have enough chakra to take a 3rd rasengan, or kunai slashes mixed with rasengans. His healing potential would be effectively worn out due to his inability to absorb his opponents chakra.
WD and GSB
Now, kisame does have his trump card, the GSB, but more importantly, WD. But, would any of these work? The simple answer is; no.
Firstly, GSB needs to hit it's target to be of any effect. An attack of that size, and that 'speed' can easily be countered by someone of minato's calibre. Minato has several options here. He can either;
- Summon 'bunta to tank the attack (even if bunta dies)
- He could FTG away
- He could shunshin away(as seen when he covered a vast distance when kyuubi attacked kushina
- And he could even use S/T barrier to completely redirect the attack
All these options reduce GSB into a useless attack as it will not acquire chakra to grow (since minato has never shown any form of chakra based jutsu which can effectively block such a large attack, so there's no reason to believe he'd try to counter it with a chakra based attack), nor will it hit it's intended target. Infact, 1000 Shark bullets would be a better option, but even then, toads would be a viable counter to those as bunta's speed and water bullets would be sufficient (small shark bombs don't absorb chakra).
As for WD. Sure, Kisame has minato in a bit of a bind here, but once again, toads help to counter this jutsu. Firstly there's no evidence stating that the toads wouldn't be able to even defend minato under water and put pressure on kisame. Kisame is strong, but he isn't strong enough to contend with a few massive toads and minato at the same time, even in WD. But, more importantly, minato can use the same trick that bee used so that he could get a tagged toad out of WD. From there, he simply FTG's to said toad thereby nullifying WD. Outside of WD kisame can no longer directly sense his location and would need to release his jutsu to continue the fight. Even in the case he could, now that they're out, bunta would be of sufficient speed to simply outrun WD.
*Bunta jumping rougly 8x his body length, which would clearly be alot faster than kisame could hope to move his entire WD.
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Finaly, in the off chance that Minato cannot escape WD by some stroke of the imagination, a simple double-death through his long ranged RDS ends the battle. In the end it becomes a draw which would still mean that kisame didn't beat minato.
Some final points
I would like to point out that (in the scan i provided of minato vs raikage) minato struck bee's tentacle with such force/with such a strong attack that he was not only able to cut his tentacle, but also create a small crater in the ground. A powerful attack of that level would leave kisame severely injured and reliant on Samehade's healing.
Rasengan, Heavy hitting kunai strikes, all leave kisame relying on samehade's chakra. But, samehade's chakra reserves (which would most likely built a little from minato potentially using chakra based attacks at the beginning of the fight) would slowly deplete. We've yet to see minato use any attack, apart from rasengan, which can be absorbed by samehade. Therefore, there is little chakra for samehade to absorb, unlike with bee's cloak.
Toad summons -- let's just go with bunta for now since people, for some reason, can't understand that a toad contract allows you to summon all toads -- put kisame in a bind since the toad's high speed movements, and powerful taijutsu attacks would pressure kisame. Even a direct sword hit from bunta would devastate kisame and potentially even kill him. We've even seen that samehade shouldn't take direct hits because it can be hurt and generally avoids very powerful, damaging attacks.
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There's also the fact that minato contains fuuinjutsu allowing him to effectively mess with kisame's ability to effectively use his chakra. This proves a bigger problem as we've seen that minato doesn't necessarily need for his opponent to stand infront of him stationary while he prepares his jutsu, and is able to use seals on the fly, even during FTG;
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Finally, This is all assuming that minato is retarded and only has the EXTREMELY limited arsenal that he's showcased. The fact that minato may potentially;
- Be able to summon Ma and PA
- Have sage mode
- Have barrier techniques
- Have a wide variety of sealing techniques
All throw this fight far out of Kisame's reach. There is a definite reason why minato is the only person in the series with a flee on sight order, and why he was chosen over orochimaru (hiruzen's favourite). We just haven't seen it yet. He's supposedly so powerful, that he's even being hyped to this point, among all this shit that's happening in the war. Hashirama lived up/surpassed his hype, minato (and probably hiruzen) will live up to theirs too.
His inability to hit his opponent; absorb alot of chakra from his opponents; avoid his opponents attacks; will all, ultimately, lead to kisame's defeat. Minato would win mid-high difficulty at best.
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) minato was able to cut bee's tentacles and create a crater. That kind of attack would be devastating to kisame and have him reliant on healing. Also, frog cart destroyer would be another devastating blow which would cause him some serious damage. 
