Kid Minato vs Kid Nagato?

[KidGamer65]

Were does it say nagato mastered 5 elements?

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[KidGamer65]

Please. Even base kabuto defeated several anbu rank jonin without a scratch.

Base Kabuto is Kakashi level, Minato was a simple Genin.

 

[Jenga]

On paper, it seems like Nagato wins as he has mastered all the elements, but Kid Minato was able to solo the elite Cloud Ninja who kidnapped Kushina, with little to no injuries at all, they were adult size and had adult based features, and it seems unlikely they'd send Chunin or Genin on a mission that important so they are most likely Jonin.

Minato wins this.

I agree with this man.

 

[VongolaX]

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You mis-interpret that, jiraiya said the rinnegan unable him to master six chakras, and he master every technique that jiraiya taught him. Jiraiya can't use all six elements, so how can nagato learn all those natures without jiraiya's help?

He never used it in a fight, i know that for sure

 

[warlee]

Masterin 5 elements is not hype so i don't see how nagato only wins on paper, or do you think minato can beat someone with mastery over 5 elements? How will he do it? Are you comparin those jounin to nagato now? Nagato solo chunins before havin any ninja trainin at all

 

[KidGamer65]

You mis-interpret that, jiraiya said the rinnegan unable him to master six chakras, and he master every technique that jiraiya taught him. Jiraiya can't use all six elements, so how can nagato learn all those natures without jiraiya's help?

He never used it in a fight, i know that for sure

Jiraiya says he learned every tech he taught him and that he was able to gain mastery over all the elemental natures. He doesn't need Jiraiya to teach him those natures as the Rinnegan gives you those natures, he just doesn't know jutsu for all of the natures, only the jutsu Jiraiya taught him.

 

[Konohas gelber Blitz]

Minato without a shadow of a doubt! :scorps:

 

[KidGamer65]

Masterin 5 elements is not hype so i don't see how nagato only wins on paper, or do you think minato can beat someone with mastery over 5 elements? How will he do it? Are you comparin those jounin to nagato now? Nagato solo chunins before havin any ninja trainin at all

Read the manga before replying.

-Mastering the elements doesn't mean he can use techniques from those respective elements as Jiraiya doesn't know all the elements thus he can't teach him jutsu of every element. So Nagato can only use the jutsu Jiraiya taught him.

-Nagato blacked out and went berserk. This is Nagato while he isn't berserk vs Kid Minato. There is no reason for anyone to say Nagato wins. If its because of the mastering the elements stuff, read the first point again.

Minato wins.

 

[The Necromancer]

Read the manga before replying.

-Mastering the elements doesn't mean he can use techniques from those respective elements as Jiraiya doesn't know all the elements thus he can't teach him jutsu of every element. So Nagato can only use the jutsu Jiraiya taught him.

-Nagato blacked out and went berserk. This is Nagato while he isn't berserk vs Kid Minato. There is no reason for anyone to say Nagato wins. If its because of the mastering the elements stuff, read the first point again.

Minato wins.

How does one master an element without knowing a technique from that element again...?

 

[KidGamer65]

How does one master an element without knowing a technique from that element again...?

Rinnegan automatically gives the person the ability to master all the elemental natures, that's its ability that is given to anyone who wields it. How is Jiraiya going to teach him elemental jutsu that he doesn't have?

 

[warlee]

How can you master what you can't use? Kakashi can't use wind yet he thougth naruto how.

 

[VongolaX]

Jiraiya says he learned every tech he taught him and that he was able to gain mastery over all the elemental natures. He doesn't need Jiraiya to teach him those natures as the Rinnegan gives you those natures, he just doesn't know jutsu for all of the natures, only the jutsu Jiraiya taught him.

He said he taught him everything he knew, rinnegan grants you this ability but nagato was only taught wind release from what we've seen

 

[KidGamer65]

How can you master what you can't use? Kakashi can't use wind yet he thougth naruto how.

Rinnegan automatically gives the person the ability to master all the elemental natures, that's its ability that is given to anyone who wields it. How is Jiraiya going to teach him elemental jutsu that he doesn't have?

Naruto already had the Wind Element, he simply told Naruto how to use it he didn't teach it to him. Big difference.

He said he taught him everything he knew, rinnegan grants you this ability but nagato was only taught wind release from what we've seen

I know. Nagato can master all the elemental natures due to the Rinnegan but that doesn't mean that he can use jutsu from all of the natures at this point in time, I'm aware of that.

 

[warlee]

Do you understand simple english? He said nagato mastered all the 5 elements he didn't say nagato's rinnengan has the ability to mastered the 5 elements. Do you see the diff? And naruto can't use wind chakra at all until kakashi taugth him how despite kakashi not havin wind affinity. Where does it says only ppl w/ the same affinity can teach you. Naruto only has wind affinity it was kakashi that taugth him how despite not havin that element and nagato also has the affinity for all the element so jiraiya can teach how to use it too despite not havin the element.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you understand simple english? He said nagato mastered all the 5 elements he didn't say nagato's rinnengan has the ability to mastered the 5 elements. Do you see the diff? And naruto can't use wind chakra at all until kakashi taugth him how despite kakashi not havin wind affinity. Where does it says only ppl w/ the same affinity can teach you.

He could only master them due to the Rinnegan. Jiraiya clearly stated this in the beginning of his sentence. If anyone doesn't understand English its you.

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Once again, read the manga. Ninja are born with Nature Manipulations, they just need to figure out how to use them which is what Kakashi helped Naruto do.

 

[warlee]

So what you are tellin me now is that nagato didn't use any of the elements (except wind) yet he mastered all the elements? Jiraiya said nagato did (he didn't say can do, he said he did) something unprecedented in the shinobi world which is masterin all element with rinnengan in that same scan. I doubt english is your is your first language.

 

[VongolaX]

Rinnegan automatically gives the person the ability to master all the elemental natures, that's its ability that is given to anyone who wields it. How is Jiraiya going to teach him elemental jutsu that he doesn't have?

Naruto already had the Wind Element, he simply told Naruto how to use it he didn't teach it to him. Big difference.



I know. Nagato can master all the elemental natures due to the Rinnegan but that doesn't mean that he can use jutsu from all of the natures at this point in time, I'm aware of that.

I'm starting to wonder what's the point of that, i'm convince that the rinnegan gave him access to all chakra nature but justus is a different story

 

[KidGamer65]

So what you are tellin me now is that nagato didn't use any of the elements (except wind) yet he mastered all the elements? Jiraiya said nagato did (he didn't say can do, he said he did) something unprecedented in the shinobi world which is masterin all element with rinnengan in that same scan. I doubt english is your is your first language.

-Sigh- The scan is right there yet you are denying it.

-English isn't my first language yet you are the one with the spelling mistakes while I have none. Go slap yourself.

Mastering elements=/=Being able to use jutsu of these elements. What is so hard for your brain to understand about that statement? Tell me how Jiraiya is going to teach Nagato a jutsu of an element he doesn't even have? Oh wait, he isn't.

Naruto had the master how to use Wind Release chakra before he could apply to Rasengan and Naruto didnt have any wind element jutsu before this. You don't need the jutsu to be able to master an element, manga fact. If you don't like then go cry me a river and stop wasting my time.

I'm starting to wonder what's the point of that, i'm convince that the rinnegan gave him access to all chakra nature but justus is a different story

Knowing every single chakra nature means that there is almost no jutsu that you can't learn if you have the Rinnegan, but as you said, it doesn't give you access to those jutsu.

 

[Zexion~]

well..this is really a pure hype match .. the only jutsu we saw from nagato was that wind style ... i believe

 

[VongolaX]

-Sigh- The scan is right there yet you are denying it.

-English isn't my first language yet you are the one with the spelling mistakes while I have none. Go slap yourself.

Mastering elements=/=Being able to use jutsu of these elements. What is so hard for your brain to understand about that statement? Tell me how Jiraiya is going to teach Nagato a jutsu of an element he doesn't even have? Oh wait, he isn't.

Naruto had the master how to use Wind Release chakra before he could apply to Rasengan and Naruto didnt have any wind element jutsu before this. You don't need the jutsu to be able to master an element, manga fact. If you don't like then go cry me a river and stop wasting my time.



Knowing every single chakra nature means that there is almost no jutsu that you can't learn if you have the Rinnegan, but as you said, it doesn't give you access to those jutsu.

So, despite that minato has speed and ftg...Wind release and basic ninja techniques won't be enough to take out minato who beat3-4 jounin/chuunin, in which nagato as a kid took out 2 chuunin's out of shock