Hashirama's Mangekyo Sharingan Theory

[Stark]

Who tf said that? Read the thread idiot.

Oof fighting words

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Its a good thread i just like to troll lol Word of advice if you use your username use your entire username

lmao, but wouldn't my whole name be kinda the same xD

"Hashirama Senjuu's Mangekyo Sharingan Theory"

I forget which language spells Senju with two "u"s lol.

 

[Exaar]

ok, i won't be a jerk and call you names, sorry about that, but kishis mind has changed through out the manga, he has made this obvious, but this is untrue with the databooks as they are relatively old now. When he makes a new one and restates everything is the old ones and "refreshes" the information, then we will know. As of now they are not the same. Do you see what I am saying?

Kishi's mind had changed huh?, Sorry but thats just baseless bullshit, No where in any shape or Form has he stated that he changed his mind.
Even in the newest Databook (3rd) has he say anything about a change or heart about hiruzen/Susnaoo or anything.

Since the manga has not refuted the databooks in Hiruzen case/Susanoo's case, they still stand untill proven otherwise.

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Kishi's mind had changed huh?, Sorry but thats just baseless bullshit, No where in any shape or Form has he stated that he changed his mind.
Even in the newest Databook (3rd) has he say anything about a change or heart about hiruzen/Susnaoo or anything.

Since the manga has not refuted the databooks in Hiruzen case/Susanoo's case, they still stand untill proven otherwise.

this is a fact

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Yes, it does. Sound exists whether there is someone to hear it or not. Sound is defined as vibrations "capable of" being heard audibly. Elephants and dogs can hear sounds that we cannot. Because we cannot hear them does not mean they do not exist.

You're a glass half-empty person, aren't you?

Something no one has witnessed does not exist. Try again. People have witnessed those things so yes they do. But if no one witnessed the tree making a sound then it doesn't exist and you cant prove it does. Just like madara hasn't shown amaterasu or tsukyomi, so it doesn't exist and you cant prove it does.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Kishi's mind had changed huh?, Sorry but thats just baseless bullshit, No where in any shape or Form has he stated that he changed his mind.
Even in the newest Databook (3rd) has he say anything about a change or heart about hiruzen/Susnaoo or anything.

Since the manga has not refuted the databooks in Hiruzen case/Susanoo's case, they still stand untill proven otherwise.

No where's does it say it has stayed the same.

 

[bruce lee was uchiha]

sasuke has not been shown using tsukiyomi. he has been shown using "mangekyou genjutsu"
it is believed to be a weaker version of tsukiyomi, the actual name of which has not yet appeared.

it would make sense that the brothers had similar susanoo's

As for madara, i like the idea that he wasn't very proficient at using tsukiyomi/genjutsu and also he hasn't showcased his ability to use ameratsu yet. i do however believe the manga and databooks when they said "to possess susanoo the user must first possess ameratsu and tsukyomi.

i dont believe all distant relatives possessed variations of the ms, both having 2 unique ms jutsus that allowed them to use susanoo.. as far as we know shisui's only ms tech was KA. and obito has kamui. i think sasuke/itachi's family bloodline is more "noble" or "pure" and that is why they have been able to use the 3 legendary uchiha techniques.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

sasuke has not been shown using tsukiyomi. he has been shown using "mangekyou genjutsu"
it is believed to be a weaker version of tsukiyomi, the actual name of which has not yet appeared.

it would make sense that the brothers had similar susanoo's

As for madara, i like the idea that he wasn't very proficient at using tsukiyomi/genjutsu and also he hasn't showcased his ability to use ameratsu yet. i do however believe the manga and databooks when they said "to possess susanoo the user must first possess ameratsu and tsukyomi.

i dont believe all distant relatives possessed variations of the ms, both having 2 unique ms jutsus that allowed them to use susanoo.. as far as we know shisui's only ms tech was KA. and obito has kamui. i think sasuke/itachi's family bloodline is more "noble" or "pure" and that is why they have been able to use the 3 legendary uchiha techniques.

Danzo said it was tsukyomi, go back and look.

 

[BlinkST]

Now I also believe that no matter what two powers you have, when combined you always get susanoo. This would explain why Madara has Susanoo but hasn't shown Amaterasu or Tsukyomi.

Manga plainly stated that Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu = Susanoo.

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Itachi wouldn't have any reason to even be surprised at Sasuke if all it took was having two eye powers.

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People like Obito and Shisui got different powers because they were part-Senju. Zetsu said combining Senju and Uchiha DNA might lead to new powers. Next major thing we see is him using Kamui.

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[Exaar]

No where's does it say it has stayed the same.

*facepalm*

 

[AlphaScythian]

Manga plainly stated that Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu = Susanoo.

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Manga stated lots of things, some are contraditory. This was itachi's statement and he can be wrong too. Sasuke stated u just need power in both eyes. Furthermore sasuke's tsukuyomi isnt proved yet.

Itachi wouldn't have any reason to even be surprised at Sasuke if all it took was having two eye powers.

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Itachi never seen any other susanoo, what would u expect?

People like Obito and Shisui got different powers because they were part-Senju. Zetsu said combining Senju and Uchiha DNA might lead to new powers. Next major thing we see is him using Kamui.

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Complete BS. Obito unlocked intangibility after he crushed by rock. Shisui never had anything to do with senju.

 

[mun]

You're calling someone an idiot, when you are clearly the idiot who misleads everyone with your thread's title.

u and and the other guys r idiots ;/ no common sense at all

 

[BlinkST]

Manga stated lots of things, some are contraditory. This was itachi's statement and he can be wrong too.

Then there's no point in him being specific on which jutsu awaken the Susanoo, when he could have easily given a generic description.

Furthermore sasuke's tsukuyomi isnt proved yet.

Good to know.

Itachi never seen any other susanoo, what would u expect?

I expect him to not be surprised, if awakening Susanoo didn't require two specific jutsu. It's not as if using Susanoo takes some kind of special talent. Even Shisui, who was known as the most talented Uchiha, still never had Susanoo. Kishimoto has already given a reason for that: he didn't have the right jutsu.

Complete BS. Obito unlocked intangibility after he crushed by rock.

Obito didn't awaken his Kaleidoscope Sharingan until he saw Rin die. If he had already awoken the eye, he would have already had a 3-tomoe Sharingan. Instead, he had a 2-tomoe Sharingan.

Him avoiding death by the boulders was nothing but a coincidence.

Shisui never had anything to do with senju.

It plainly states there that the chakra in Danzo's eye, shouder, and arm was Shisui's, even though that part of his body also held Hashirama's DNA.

 

[mun]

Bolded is where you went wrong.
Both the databooks and the Manga are the same.

When you unlock Ms you get your own unique Jutsu, Like KA or sauske's enton. It's rare to Get Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi but to get both is Very rare, To have them both and have Susanoo is even rarer.
Not every uchiha that unlocks Ms have Amaterasu or tsukuyomi.

Sasuke has Enton (unique to him), Amaterasu, Tsukuoymi, Susanoo. So it would make sense why Obito/Shisui have their own unique jutsu's also, They just wern't lucky enough for amaterasu/tsukuyomi. Simple really.

actually its not that rare ;/ to get Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi, 3 out of the 5 mangekyo sharingan users have it (assuming madara has it)

 

[mun]

So why are the databooks not the same?, Because they go against your own Opinion on things?. Databooks are written by kishi himself, They are no less credible than the actual manga.

Oh before you call people stupid, Both the Databooks and your precious Manga both Hailed Hiruzen as a God and the strongest Hokage.

uh what are you talking about, really? The manga hailed hiruzen as the strongest hokage, what are you smoking? The databooks hold no credibility cause it always contradicts the manga.

 

[mun]

Kishi's mind had changed huh?, Sorry but thats just baseless bullshit, No where in any shape or Form has he stated that he changed his mind.
Even in the newest Databook (3rd) has he say anything about a change or heart about hiruzen/Susnaoo or anything.

Since the manga has not refuted the databooks in Hiruzen case/Susanoo's case, they still stand untill proven otherwise.

anyone with a half of a brain or have a reading level of a child can clearly tell that kishi mind has changed throughout the manga.

 

[mun]

Then there's no point in him being specific on which jutsu awaken the Susanoo, when he could have easily given a generic description.


Good to know.



I expect him to not be surprised, if awakening Susanoo didn't require two specific jutsu. It's not as if using Susanoo takes some kind of special talent. Even Shisui, who was known as the most talented Uchiha, still never had Susanoo. Kishimoto has already given a reason for that: he didn't have the right jutsu.


Obito didn't awaken his Kaleidoscope Sharingan until he saw Rin die. If he had already awoken the eye, he would have already had a 3-tomoe Sharingan. Instead, he had a 2-tomoe Sharingan.

Him avoiding death by the boulders was nothing but a coincidence.


It plainly states there that the chakra in Danzo's eye, shouder, and arm was Shisui's, even though that part of his body also held Hashirama's DNA.

you need to get ur facts straight, and reread the manga cause clearly most of your knowledge is incorrect. Your logic is simply flawed. Obito has a different ms power because he is half senju reallly? Then what about kakashi ? Is he all of a sudden part senju too? And shisui is not part senju I don't know where you got that from. Did you get it from the sky? And Danzo did not say sasuke has Tsukuyomi, he said his genjutsu is a far cry from itachi's Tsukuyomi

 

[mun]

Back to the OP, Madara has only shown one ms ability, susanoo. If he doesn't have Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi then what are his other two abilities? Most likely he has it given the fact that either kishi won't show us new ms techs and since he won't have the same eye techs as obito and shisui

 

[BlinkST]

You should learn how to multi-quote.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Manga stated lots of things, some are contraditory. This was itachi's statement and he can be wrong too. Sasuke stated u just need power in both eyes. Furthermore sasuke's tsukuyomi isnt proved yet.
Itachi never seen any other susanoo, what would u expect?

Complete BS. Obito unlocked intangibility after he crushed by rock. Shisui never had anything to do with senju.

actually itachi only stated he got susanoo after he got amaterasu and tsukyomi, not that you HAVE to HAVE the two.