Edo Hashirama can't beat current Edo Madara

[Draphsin]

1. my translation is the VIZ so you lose by default. they mean the same thing. you obviously cant properly read English. whether or not you want to accept it isnt my problem.

2. madara is far stronger than tsunade. madara is more powerful than her. you're just talking about physical strength. if you think that tsunade can take out mountains then you're an idiot.
edo madara is more complete than ems madara & that makes him better, not his power.

3. madara can weave all the signs he wants in susano. he still doesnt have the feats of using clones, meteors or mokuton in susano. you are giving madara abilities that you want him to have, not the abilities the manga has shown for him. madara said that PS is his full power. 1 swing of a PS blade>edo madara using the weakest techs in his arsenal.

Your nonsense is starting to give me a headache

1. I already told you that you can argue this all you want, its getting you nowhere...Madara was speaking in past tense, im not going to give you english lessons because you should have a teacher for that. But you obviously have some grammatical issues that need to be worked out. Anyways, this point is redundant because we are talking about an edo hashi, not prime living hashi. Madara doesnt even know that hashi is an edo, let alone an edo with less than his original power.

2. Oh my god are you serious? So being more complete doesnt mean that he's stronger in general? Just because his strongest move is equal in strength doesnt mean that he is equal in strength to his weaker counterpart. Madara has a wider range of attacks now (at least double the techniques he had in ems) that might not be as strong as PS, but would be just as devastating to hashi. So saying that he's "just as strong as his ems counterpart" is just straight derp, because more techniques = stronger opponent....

3. Fail, okay ill get to the jutsu's offscreen in a minute, but first about hand signs. Do you know how they work? tell me the difference between using a basic katon technique, and using a basic mokuton clone technique? There is none, other than different hand signs that are used. Saying that he cant use a specific set of hand signs while in susanoo is an enormously ignorant claim, and i applaud you for it.

Now onto offscreen jutsu's, show me a scan of hashi using a sealing technique that can withstand madara's power (gaara's sand was nothing). Until then, hashi has no sealing techs to use against madara (because he hasnt shown any onscreen), therefore he cant seal him. So edo madara > edo hashi

 

[BigBlade Master]

Everybody know that. xd

 

[Draphsin]

Everybody know that. xd

Apparently not ^^

 

[TheSages456]

Your nonsense is starting to give me a headache

1. I already told you that you can argue this all you want, its getting you nowhere...Madara was speaking in past tense, im not going to give you english lessons because you should have a teacher for that. But you obviously have some grammatical issues that need to be worked out. Anyways, this point is redundant because we are talking about an edo hashi, not prime living hashi. Madara doesnt even know that hashi is an edo, let alone an edo with less than his original power.

2. Oh my god are you serious? So being more complete doesnt mean that he's stronger in general? Just because his strongest move is equal in strength doesnt mean that he is equal in strength to his weaker counterpart. Madara has a wider range of attacks now (at least double the techniques he had in ems) that might not be as strong as PS, but would be just as devastating to hashi. So saying that he's "just as strong as his ems counterpart" is just straight derp, because more techniques = stronger opponent....

3. Fail, okay ill get to the jutsu's offscreen in a minute, but first about hand signs. Do you know how they work? tell me the differnece between using a basic katon technique, and using a basic mokuton clone technique? There is none other than different hand signs that are used. Saying that he cant use a specific set of hand signs while in susanoo is an enormously ignorant claim, and i applaud you for it.

Now onto offscreen jutsu's, show me a scan of hashi using a sealing technique that can withstand madara's power (gaara's sand was nothing). Until then, hashi has no sealing techs to use against madara (because he hasnt shown any onscreen), therefore he cant seal him. So edo madara > edo hashi

1. you say that madara was speaking in past tense but the manga says otherwise. who am i suppose to believe? hmm......

2. no, more techniques just means that you have more techniques. thats it. you need to match the power output of your opponent before other factors come into play & none of madaras new techs can match the power of shinsuusenju. they are nothing compared to it and that makes them worthless. there is no way that they will cause hashirama any trouble when they arent even on the tier of hashiramas full power. shinsuusenju is hundreds of times stronger than madaras new techs.

its not like hashirama needs shinsuusenju to make madaras techs look like trash anyway.

3. what are you even talking about? madara using katons from susano means that he now has the feat of using 1 elemental jutsu from susano not an entire other kekkai genkai.

show me a sealing tech that madara has used that can contain shinsuusenju? madara has shown no seals so he cant seal hashirama.

 

[Founding Fire Shadow]

madara didnt trade powers. edo madara gained techs weaker than perfect susano and he has never shown the ability to use these techs in conjunction with perfect susano so they dont add to his full power.

ems madara gained the kyuubi which can be used with PS and adds to his overall power.

That is not true, as Madara has used Susano-o in conjunction with the Deva Path to increase its power as well as his Mokuton clones with Susano-o, to assume he could not apply this with Perfect Susano-o is foolish, after-all he does have unlimited chakra, don't be shocked to see that in his future battle with Edo Hashirama, furthermore while Madara gained powers that may not be as destructive in nature as Perfect Susano-o, he still gained powers that made him overall more powerful than before, like Preta Path which neutralizes all chakra based attacks, to deny that the versatility these powers have provided does in fact make Madara stronger than he was before even without Kurama in his arsenal would be ignorant & foolish.shodaimeicon:

 

[TrollingSage]

Your nonsense is starting to give me a headache

1. I already told you that you can argue this all you want, its getting you nowhere...Madara was speaking in past tense, im not going to give you english lessons because you should have a teacher for that. But you obviously have some grammatical issues that need to be worked out. Anyways, this point is redundant because we are talking about an edo hashi, not prime living hashi. Madara doesnt even know that hashi is an edo, let alone an edo with less than his original power.

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Maybe you need a lesson on english. The word "could" is also used to denote a possibility. Now lets apply a bit of logic and common sense here. He says only Hashirama "could" stop him. Now based on that we cant say if he's talking aobut the past tense or a possibility. However he adds "but he is no longer with us". Then he goes on and talks about how that's good for the kages because the landscape would be drastically rewritten if Hashirama was present. Its quite clear he was saying Hashirama could possibly stop him.

 

[TrollingSage]

3) Hashirama doesn't have his wife to help him this time. Bear in mind it's been said by numerous characters that Hashirama was only able to defeat Madara the second time because he had help from his wife.

Didnt know Kushina counts as "numerous characters". Also she lated contradicted herself by saying Mito was brought into the village for the sole purpose of becoming the nine tails jink.

 

[TheSages456]

Mito was present to seal the Kyuubi within herself during Madara's battle with Hashirama. Once Madara lost the Kyuubi his fate was sealed. Of course Mito isn't here anymore and not only that but Madara has the Juubi. Add on the Rinnegan and this is a totally different game.

then why does the manga say that mito was brought to konoha to seal the kyuubi into herself if she was at VOTE? also can you post some panels of mito at VOTE?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

We already know that madara was alive years after he awakened the rinnegan, nagato was a child when he got the eyes. And how do you think nagato learned his rinnegan abilities? did he learn them from the scroll? or from obito? either way it originates back to madara...Saying he doesnt have the rinnegan abilities is like saying hashi hasnt figured out all of the techniques on that scroll, and those techniques could include sealing techniques.

Madara already said he got his rinnengan on his death bed link:

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so IDK what you are on about with Madara being alive years after he awakened the rinnengan and him teaching nagato because nagato learned by himself

 

[TrollingSage]

Mito was present to seal the Kyuubi within herself during Madara's battle with Hashirama. Once Madara lost the Kyuubi his fate was sealed. Of course Mito isn't here anymore and not only that but Madara has the Juubi. Add on the Rinnegan and this is a totally different game.

But what if king shodai decides to take the juubi from madara using zombie senju mode? The game will be changed alright. As long as edo madara can be sealed and shodai knows sealing(seeing as this hardcore pimp had his wood in uzumakis since forever), madara isnt safe. And he wisely admitted that. Madara goes by analytical probabilty while u go by desirous thinking.:nuts:

 

[TrollingSage]

King Shodai singlehandedly soloes madara's god complex ass:scorps:
Good night yall